Herbicides

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This thread is meant to be general information about herbicides commonly used to establish and maintain food plots, NWSG and tree plantings.

It contains a list that we can add too if anyone comes up with alternatives which may work better/cheaper etc.

Some herbicides are listed as RUP (restricted use pesticides) which means you must have a pesticide applicators license to purchase (not necessarily to apply them).

The most common RUP is Atrazine, which is restricted federally nationwide, while others such as Oust are restricted in just a few states. In this case, Oust could be purchased or shipped to another state to by pass the restriction.
Herbicides may kill systematically or by residual actions and may need to be applied pre-emergence, post emergence or to growing plants.

In all cases, it is critical to read the labels thoroughly before applying them. All herbicide labels are available on-line and failure to understand what your using could end up in a costly disaster!

This link will give you a rough idea of cost per gallon although often generics are much cheaper. Just make sure it is the same percentage of active ingredient.

CDMS - Labels and MSDS (http://www.cdms.net/manuf/default.asp) is a quick source for all herbicide labels.

Approximate Herbicide Pricing - 2006 (http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/WG056)

2006 North Dakota Weed Control Guide (http://www.ag.ndsu.edu/weeds/w253/w253-5b.htm) lists most herbicides and suggested rates per acre.

2007 North Dakota Weed Control Guide (http://www.ag.ndsu.edu/weeds/w253/w253w.htm) if you can't find it here...it can't be found! ;)

2008 North Dakota Weed Control Guide (http://www.ag.ndsu.edu/weeds/w253/w253w.htm)

Townsend Chemical (http://www.townsendchemical.com/) is a good source to order non-crop herbicides if you cannot find it locally.

They handle most tree herbicides as well as aquatic herbicides.
This is an email response to an inquiry about Journey herbicide but it gives one an idea about shipping etc.:

Can be ordered through us. Cost per gallon is $130.00. Smallest container is
2 1/2 gallons. If order is 5 gallons or more, there is no freight cost. One
2 1/2 gallon container freight cost is $7.00. This is a stock item for us.
We do accept Master Card & VISA. You call and order 800-616-4221 or via
email.
Thanks for the inquiry.
Norman S Gantt
Gen / Ops Manager Crop Smart carries a full line of very reasonable generics herbicides and Jim will ship so check for the exact product you need and then give Jim a call to compare prices + shipping against local sources.

Jim Bolding 919-462-1375 Crop Smart LLC
Crop Smart has all types of generic herbicides including clethodim for $89 shipped Keystone Pest Solutions carries many herbicides that a plotter would need and some in smaller quantities making it more affordable as well as online ordering. Shipping can be pricey however.

Keystone Pest Solutions (http://www.keystonepestsolutions.com/)

Some herbicides are classified as Restricted Use Pesticides requiring an applicators license to purchase and apply these chemicals. This list changes and varies state to state but here is a list from the EPA:

Pesticide Registration Status (http://www.epa.gov/pesticides/reregistration/status.htm)

Iowa Study Guide for a RUP applicator license (http://www.extension.iastate.edu/Publications/PAT1CHP13.pdf)

Search for Iowa applicators (http://www.kellysolutions.com/foi/?statecode=IA)

Application for private pesticide license (http://www.iowaagriculture.gov/Pesticide/forms/PesticideApplictorsLicense20.pdf)

Look up restrictions in Iowa here:

Iowa Pesticide Bureau (http://www.iowaagriculture.gov/pesticides.asp)

Accent is approved for corn and switchgrass primarily for controlling annual grasses but it quite expensive.

Accent Label (http://www.cdms.net/LDat/ld8RQ002.pdf)

Accen Source (http://www.keystonepestsolutions.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=22&products_id=242&zenid=b906480fdeeb50a7cd3505e24c2ccfb6)

Aatrex 4L (Atrazine) is a RUP herbicide used primarily on corn, sorghum, switchgrass and in some cases conifers. It is a residual herbicide providing season long control if applied correctly.

Atrex4l (http://www.syngentacropprotection-us.com/prod/herbicide/AAtrex/)

AAtrex Label (http://www.syngentacropprotection-us.com/pdf/labels/SCP497AL38QQ0106.pdf)

Arrest herbicide is the exact same product as Poast...at a much higher price.

Arrest (http://www.whitetailinstitute.com/products/herbicides/)

Arrest herbicide Label (http://www.whitetailinstitute.com/products/herbicides/Arrestlabel.pdf)

Arrow (generic version of select 2 EC) 26.4% clethodim grass selective herbicicde

Arrow 2EC label(generic version of Select grass herbicide) (http://www.greenbook.net/Docs/Label/L76454.pdf)

Source for generic Clethodim (http://www.ruralking.com/clethodim-1-gal.html) (NOTE: Select 2 EC should run aroun $130 locally so this source with shipping isn't really a great deal)

Assure is a grass herbicide approved for beans, peas and beets

Assure II (http://www.greenbook.net/docs/Label/L6825.PDF)

Authority 480 is a pre-emergence herbicide for use in controlling broadleaves in peas and soybeans.

Authority 480 (http://www.nufarm.ca/CA/Authority480?printView=true)

Authority 480 label (http://www.nufarm.ca/Assets/12524/1/AuthoritySK-ABLabel-E.pdf)

2,4-D Amine is a broadleaf herbicide which can be applied to most grasses from switchgrass to corn. DO NOT apply to crops such as clover, soybeans or peas.

2-4D Amine (http://www.fs.fed.us/r1/lolo/projects/big-game-weeds/34-app-o-labels/01-2-4d.pdf)

2,4-D Ester

2,4-D Ester (http://www.cdms.net/LDat/ld40L003.pdf)

Butyrac 200 2,4-DB is safe to apply to clover, alfalfa and soybeans for broadleaf control.

Butyrac 200 (http://www.cdms.net/LDat/ld4JG002.pdf)

Butyrac 200 online source (http://www.keystonepestsolutions.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=77)

Butyrac 200 (2,4-DB) 2L 1 - 3 qt

Mode of action: growth regulator.

Apply to alfalfa only in spring or fall when weeds are no more than 2 to 3 inches tall, or when rosettes are no more than 2 inches across and not bolting. Weeds that emerge in the fall and overwinter in the rosette stage (mustards, field pennycress) may be more easily controlled in late fall than in spring.
Apply 1 to 2 quarts/A when weeds are less than 1 inch tall, and 2 to 3 quarts when weeds are 1 to 3 inches tall. Use the 3-quart rate for smartweed or curly dock.

Butyrac can be tank-mixed with Poast Plus or Select 2EC for control of a mixed population of grass and broadleaf weeds.
Do not harvest or graze for 30 days following application.
Basagran is a post/contact broadleaf herbicide safe for use on corn, sorghum, soybeans and peas and will control tough weeds like nutsedge.

Basagran (http://www.agrisolutionsinfo.com/Docs/Basagran.pdf)

Cadet is a post emergence broadleaf herbicide safe for both corn and soybeans and cost only $5.00 and acre!

Video on Cadet (http://www.winwithcadet.com/mainMenu.html;jsessionid=4EFF714B7F41042D43CA21FE3 37F8F27)

Cadet Herbicide Label (http://www.fmccrop.com/resources/pdf/cadet-herbicide-4-20-09-commercial.pdf)

Cadet Tech Sheet (http://www.winwithcadet.com/pdfs/Cadet_Book.pdf)

Cadet - Tank mixed with a glyphosate or other postemergence broadleaf herbicides– 0.4 to 0.5 oz/A

Used alone or with postemergence grass herbicides – 0.6 to 0.9 oz/A
Corn – Apply from 2-leaf up to 48-inches tall
Soybeans – Apply from 1-trifoliate through full floweringCallisto is a post emergent herbicide safe in corn and sorghum

Callisto Label (http://www.syngentacropprotection.com/pdf/labels/SCP1131AL1K0409.pdf)

Cinch is a generic version of Dual Magnum II (S-metolachlor)For weed control in corn, cotton, peanuts, pod crops,
potatoes, safflowers, grain or forage sorghum and
soybeans. PREPLANT INCORPORATED OR PREEMERGENCE SURFACE-APPLIED
Weeds Controlled
barnyardgrass (watergrass)
bristly foxtail
carpetweed
common waterhemp
crabgrass
crowfootgrass
Eastern black nightshade
fall panicum
Florida pusley
foxtail millet
galinsoga
giant foxtail
goosegrass
green foxtail
pigweed
prairie cupgrass
red rice
robust foxtails (purple,
white)
signalgrass (Brachiaria)
southwestern cupgrass
tall waterhemp
wild proso millet*
witchgrass
woolly cupgrass*
yellow foxtail
yellow nutsedge DuPont™ Cinch® (http://www2.dupont.com/Production_Agriculture/en_US/label_msds_info/labels/H64553.pdf)

Crossbow® herbicide (triclopyr + 2,4-D ester) is a postemergent product that targets woody plants and brush – such as blackberries and poison oak – as well as annual and perennial broadleaves, while leaving grasses unharmed.

Crossbow® herbicide label (http://www.dowagro.com/usag/prod/003.htm)

Dual II Magnum (S-metolachlor) is a residual action herbicide that will help control weeds such as foxtail in corn, soybeans and pod crops. PREPLANT INCORPORATED OR PREEMERGENCE SURFACE-APPLIED

DUAL II Magnum herbicide provides selective weed control in:
Corn * (hybrid, silage, seed, sweet)
Soybeans
Dry common beans (Phaseolus vulgaris)
Snap common beans (yellow and green)
Lima beans
Potatoes
Sugar beets
Sunflowers (http://weeds.utk.edu/WeedTemplate_files/WeedControlManual/11.pdf)
Transplanted tomatoes
Rutabagas
Sweet white lupins
Peas (grown for processing)
Fruit trees (bearing and non-bearing)
Second-year or older poplar stoolbeds
Second-year or older transplant or seedling stock of:
White Spruce, Norway Spruce, Black Spruce, White Pine, Jack Pine and Red Pine
Transplanted broccoli, cabbage and cauliflower
Newly planted strawberries Dual can also be used on sorghum seed that has been "safened" making this an excellent herbicide for a milo/soybean planting or a corn/soybean planting.

Dual II MAGNUM (http://www.syngentacropprotection.com/prodrender/index.aspx?prodid=653)

Dual II MAGNUM Label (http://www.syngentacropprotection-us.com/pdf/labels/SCP818AL1M0204n.pdf)

There are generic versions but they are NOT all created equal, so be aware and perhaps read this link before you purchase.

Are all metolachlor products created equal? (http://www.weeds.iastate.edu/mgmt/2004/stalwart2.shtml)

Dual Magnum II and Cinch conatin S-metolachlor while Me-Too-Lachlor II contains ONLY metolachlor and may require higher rates, so understand all of this before you make your purchase.

Generic metolachlor Source (http://www.keystonepestsolutions.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=20&products_id=196)

Drive® XLR8 (http://betterturf.basf.us/products/drive-xlr8-herbicide.html)

Drive 75 source - quinclorac (http://www.pestproducts.com/herbicides/drive.htm)

Extreme Herbicide (http://www.agproducts.basf.com/products/Extreme-Herbicide/Extreme-Herbicide.asp) is used on RR soybeans only. It contains glyphosate and Pursuit® herbicide for residual control.

Exteme Label (http://www.cdms.net/ldat/ld3GR009.pdf)

Finale is a non-selective herbicide for directed spraying around trees and shrubs.

Finale (http://www.turf.uiuc.edu/teaching/NRES300/labels/finalelabel.pdf)

Fusilade II is used for weed control in tree plantings

Fusilade (http://www.syngentaprofessionalproducts.com/to/prod/fusiladeTO/)

Fusilade Label (http://www.syngentaprofessionalproducts.com/pdf/labels/SCP1084AL1A1203n.pdf)

Fusilade Source (http://www.gemplers.com/item/G49785.html)

Fusion is a post emergence herbicide for soybeans and cotton

Fusion® is a flexible, broad-spectrum, post-emergence soybean herbicide which controls 27 different annual and perennial grass species in soybeans, cotton and rights-of-way. Fusion Label (http://www.syngentacropprotection-us.com/pdf/labels/SCP1059AL10502.pdf)

Soybeans: Postemergence Herbicides - Contact (http://ohioline.osu.edu/weeds/weeds_131.html)

Fusion Herbicide (http://www.syngentaprofessionalproducts.com/prodrender/index.aspx?prodid=24)

Glyphosate (Roundup) is available under many generic labels as a “kills all” herbicide, meant to be applied to actively growing plants. It can be applied to Roundup Ready crops that are genetically altered such as RR corn and soybeans.

Roundup Max (http://www.monsanto.com/monsanto/us_ag/layout/crop_pro/roundup_weathermax/default.asp)

Glyfos Label (http://www.cheminova.us.com/pages/glyfos_info/glyfos_xtra.html)

Adding ammonium sulfate to Roundup (http://oregonstate.edu/dept/nursery-weeds/feature_articles/AS_plus_Roundup/Adding_ammonium_sulfate_to_Roundup.html)

Glyphosate Formulations (http://www.weeds.iastate.edu/mgmt/2001/glyphosateformulations.htm)

Herbicide Helper (http://www.mbrservices.com/cooPPartners/viewArticle.cfm?ID=1478)

Hi-Yield®GRASS KILLER (http://cgi.ebay.com/Poast-Post-emergence-grass-killer-HiYield-8-oz-bottle_W0QQitemZ170005554915QQcmdZViewItem) (same as Poast Herbicide)
Post emergence Grass Herbicide,Active ingredient: Sethoxydim

Another Hi-Yield source (http://www.elawngarden.com/item.php?itemID=206)

Intensity One (http://www.uap.com/docs/lovelandproducts/242.pdf) is yet another clethodim herbicide such as Select 2-EC and Arrow for post emergence control of grasses in most broadleaf crops.

Journey herbicide (imazapic + glyphosate) is commonly used before planting NWSG mixes and in some cases can be used for weed control around tree
plantings.

Impact is a post emergence herbicide safe and effective on corn and controls a long list of both broadleaf and annual grass weeds.

Impact Label (http://www.impactherbicide.com/PDFs/ImpactSpecLabels.pdf)

More about Impact (http://www.impactherbicide.com/faqs.html)

Journey Herbicide (http://www.cwc-chemical.com/bulletins/NWSG.pdf)

Journey Label (http://www.cdms.net/LDat/ld6H1010.pdf)


Kerb 50W is a RUP for weed control in tree plantings

Kerb 50W (http://www.cdms.net/ldat/ld5TU025.pdf)

Milestone herbicide (http://www.dowagro.com/range/products/milestone.htm) provides superior control of many noxious and invasive weed species, including biennial and perennial thistles, knapweeds and yellow starthistle in native grass and range grasses. Use at 4-7 oz's per acre for thistle control in prairie grasses.

Check the label before applying to CP-33 natives mixes containing forbs. Milestone is NOT safe for legumes and broadleaves but will control most types of thistles.

Me-Too-Lachlor II generic metolachlor that is not equal to Dual Magnum II but much less expensive.

Me-Too-Lachlor II (http://www.cdms.net/LDat/ld7SO000.pdf)

Are all metolachlor products created equal? (http://www.weeds.iastate.edu/mgmt/2004/stalwart2.shtml)

Generic metolachlor Source (http://www.keystonepestsolutions.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=20&products_id=196)

Milestone® herbicide (http://www.dowagro.com/range/products/milestone.htm) Active Ingredient: aminopyralid provides control of tough thistle problems

Milestone Tech sheet (http://www.dowagro.com/PublishedLiterature/dh_005a/0901b8038005a31d.pdf?filepath=range/pdfs/noreg/010-57015.pdf&fromPage=GetDoc)


Milestone Label (http://www.cdms.net/LDat/ld77N006.pdf)

Oust is no longer a RUP in Iowa and is one of the premier herbicides for controlling weeds in tree plantings. It is now available by the ounce from Townsend Chemical (listed at the top) for $5+ and ounce used at 1-3 ounces per acre.

I have also found this herbicide to be safe and effective for switchgrass and big blustem as well.

Oust (http://www2.dupont.com/Land_Management/en_US/products_services/herbicides/Oust_XP_herbicide.html)

Oust Label (http://www2.dupont.com/Production_Agriculture/en_US/label_msds_info/labels/H65144.pdf)


Oust Extra label (http://www.dupont.com/ag/us/prodinfo/prodsearch/information/H65143.pdf)

Oust Source (http://www.forestry-suppliers.com/product_pages/View_Catalog_Page.asp?mi=1909)

Oust Extra Source (http://www.forestry-suppliers.com/product_pages/View_Catalog_Page.asp?mi=3655)

Paramount (quinclorac) is approved for a number of NWSG's such as switchgrass and Big Bluestem but check the label to be certain.

Paramount Label (http://www.greenbook.net/Docs/Label/L47354.pdf)

Generic online source of quinclorac (http://www.keystonepestsolutions.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=8&products_id=205)

Panoramic 2SL contains the active ingredient imazapic and is the generic equivalant of Plateau used for weed/grass control in establishing native grass and forbs.
PANORAMIC 2SL Label (http://www.alligarellc.com/_Products/PDFs/Panoramic_2SL_LABEL.pdf)

Panoramic 2SL Source (http://www.genericherbicides.com/panoramic2sl.aspx)

Pendulum® Herbicide (http://www.betterturf.com/Pendulum/1/1124.htm)

Pendulum® 2G herbicide is one of the most economical preventive weed control options in the ornamental nursery industry, controlling a wide range of weed species – more than 40 grassy and broadleaf weeds – at a low cost-per-acre price. Over 335 ornamental species are listed on the label

Pendulum 3.3 EC 2.5 gal Source (http://www.epestsolutions.com/herb6017/Pendulum+3.3+EC++2.5+gal.html)

Pendulum Label (http://www.montereychemical.com/label/PendulumWDG.pdf)

Poast Plus (Sethoxydim) is used to control grasses in alfalfa and clover as well as brassicas, peas, soybeans and most trees, however clethodim has proven to more effective.

BASF markets both Poast and Poast Plus and got in some trouble for deceptive marketing (http://www.farmlaw.com/press_class.html)

You can buy and use Poast Plus but you can check the Poast label for what it's truely labeled for

Poast Label (http://www.greenbook.net/docs/LABEL/L26409.PDF)

Note: Poast has 18% active ingred. compared to 13% in Poast Plus
This link has a more complete list of what Poast will kill and what it is safe to use on.

Basf poast herbicide (http://www.pesticideinfo.org/Detail_Product.jsp?REG_NR=00796900058&DIST_NR=007969)

Sethoxydim label (http://www.etigra.com/pdfs/label/Sethoxydim%20E-Pro%20Specimen%20REV%200107.pdf)

Poast Plus Label (http://www.alexweb.net/mgc/pdf-chemicals/poast%20plus.pdf)

Poast Plus Source (http://www.cooperseeds.com/pages/weed_control_food_plots/clove.html)

Poast Plus Ebay source (http://stores.ebay.com/Tel-Tec-Services_Deer-Food-Plot-Herbicides_W0QQcolZ4QQdirZ1QQfsubZ3605859QQftidZ2Q QtZkm)

Pusuit (http://agproducts.basf.us/products/Pursuit-Herbicide/Pursuit-Herbicide.asp) is labled for:

Soybeans, CLEARFIELD® corn, edible legumes, peanuts, dry edible peas, alfalfa, dry succulent peas, lentils, chickpeas, lima beans, snap beans

Pursuit Label (http://www.alexweb.net/MGC/pdf-chemicals/pursuit%20ec.pdf)

Princep 4L is in the same family as Atrazine but is not a RUP herbicide. It can be used on corn, sorghum and in conjunction with Oust and/or roundup for weed control in new tree plantings. It is also safe for switchgrass however it isn’t nearly as effective.

Princep 4L (http://www.syngentacropprotection-us.com/prod/herbicide/princep/)

Princep Label (http://www.syngentacropprotection-us.com/pdf/labels/SCP526AL58M0706.pdf.pdf)

Prowl herbicide (http://www.prowlh2oherbicide.com/products/Prowl-H20-herbicide/Prowl-H20-herbicide.asp) is approved for a wide range of crops and trees including corn, soybeans and sunflowers and peas. In some cases alfalfa and clover (read label first!!)

Prowl H2O Label (http://www.cdms.net/manuf/1prod.asp?pd=6903&lc=0)

Prowl 3.3 EC Label (http://www.cdms.net/manuf/1prod.asp?pd=794&lc=0)

Prowl is reasonably priced at $22-32 per gallon, 2 to 3.5 pints per acre and $8-13 per acre.

Quinclorac 75DF (http://www.quali-pro.com/pdf/Quinclorac_75DF_LABEL.pdf) Same as Paramount and Drive 75 DF

Q4 - quinclorac herbicide label (http://www.pbigordon.com/pdfs/Q4-SL.pdf)


Raptor herbicide (http://agproducts.basf.us/products/raptor-herbicide.html) is used for alfalfa, clover, chicory, beans and peas. It is very expensive per gallon but not per acre.

$550 a gallon but only 4 oz per acre, use surfactant and AMS with it.

Raptor Label (http://www.greenbook.net/docs/Label/L40326.PDF)

Remedy EC Herbicide is recommended for the control of undesirable woody plants and annual and perennial broadleaved weeds on pastures and rangelands.

Remedy* Herbicide Label (http://www.dowagro.com/ca/prod/remedy.htm)

Remedy Source (http://www.cooperseeds.com/pages/weed_control_food_plots/remedy.html)

SedgeHammer is a herbicide for killing nutsedge in many turf grasses.
SedgeHammer (http://www.gowanco.com/sedgehammer/faq.aspx)

SedgeHammer Label (http://www.gowanco.com/Reference/Document.aspx?rid=312)

Select 2 EC herbicide (http://www.cdms.net/LDat/ld67N005.pdf) is used for control of grasses in alfalfa and clover. 4-8 oz. per acre costing $5-15 an acre.

Select (clethodim) must be used with crop oil and can also be used in soybeans, field peas, brassicas, sugar beets, sunflowers and a whole host of "non grass" type plants. Read the label carefully but this highly effective grass herbicide has many uses from your garden to your food plot.
As noted below it has proven to be perhaps more effective on difficult grasses then other grass herbicides such as Poast and Poast Plus. Currently a gallon runs somewhere between $125 to $140 and does not require a restricted use license to apply.

Clethodim is a ACCase mode of action herbicide, similar to Assure II, Fusilade, and Poast. However, in NDSU research clethodim controls many grasses documented resistant to other ACCase herbicides. It is recommended that clethodim be used in rotation with herbicides of different modes of action and in a resistant weed management program.

Several generic brands of clethodim are available but not all formulations are identical to the original Select formulation. Select, Clethodim, Trigger and Volunteer are the same but Arrow, Prism, Section, and Select Max all have different formulations. Select Max is a 1 lb/gal formulation, contains activating adjuvants in the formulation, and allows use of NIS, PO, or MSO depending on tank-mix partner.

*** 2008 ND Weed Guide***
Select Max™ Herbicide (http://www.greenbook.net/viewStory.asp?StoryID=153)

Clethodim (active in Select) (http://www.greenbook.net/Docs/Label/L89361.pdf)

Volunteer (generic version of Select) (http://www.cdms.net/ldat/ld6HP000.pdf)

Arrow(generic version of Select) (http://www.greenbook.net/Docs/Label/L76454.pdf)

Sencor can be used on conventional soybeans and peas

SENCOR® 75 Labled crops (http://www.alexweb.net/mgc/pdf-chemicals/sencor.pdf)

SENCOR® 75 DF Peas Label (http://www.bayercropscience.ca/English/LabelMSDS/205/File.ashx)

Slay Herbicide (http://www.whitetailinstitute.com/products/herbicides.html) (Ammonium salt of imazethapyr) is the same as Pursuit herbicide but more expensive because it is marketed to hunters.

Slay Herbicide Label (http://www.whitetailinstitute.com/products/images/Slaylabel.pdf)

Spur herbicide (http://www.cdms.net/LDat/ld79P002.pdf) is a generic version of Stinger for broadleaf and thistle control in corn, brassicas, prairie grasses and tree plantings.

Surflan AS is used primarily for weed control in tree plantings.

Surflan AS (http://www.upi-usa.com/upi-specialty-products/Surflan_specialty_herbicide.asp)

Surflan AS Label (http://www.upi-usa.com/files/Surflan%20AS%20Specialty%20Specimen%20Rev%2011-04.pdf)

Surflan Source (http://www.cooperseeds.com/treechem.php3?cat=weedcontrol&cartid=)

Another Surflan source (http://www.pestproducts.com/herbicides/surflan.htm)

Online Surflan source (http://www.bugspray.com/catalog/products/page2005.html)

Surmount™ herbicide (picloram + fluroxypyr )Superior control of encroaching brush with residual control of broadleaf weeds

Excellent control of horsenettle, thistles, pricklypear, blackberry, honey locust, Chinese tallowtree, huisache

Surmount™ herbicide label (http://www.dowagro.com/range/products/surmount.htm)

Stinger herbicide (http://www.dowagro.com/usag/prod/041.htm) provides superior control of Canada thistle in sugarbeets, corn and other crops. And, unlike other herbicides, it can significantly reduce thistle populations the next season.

It will control many types of broadleaves in prairie plantings and tree plantings as well. Spur is a generic version.

Stinger Label (http://www.cdms.net/ldat/ld02P014.pdf)

Stinger herbicide label for brassicas (http://www.cdms.net/ldat/ld02P014.pdf)


Synchrony - • SYNCHRONY® XP provides selective PRE, PPI,
Burndown, and POST weed control in soybeans. Use
rates depend on weed size, weed spectrum, and desired
residual control.Note: SYNCHRONY® XP has also been safely used on peas

SYNCHRONY® XP Label (http://www2.dupont.com/Production_Agriculture/en_US/label_msds_info/labels/H65609.pdf)

Thunder is a pre and post emergence herbicide for weed/grass control in alfalfa, and most bean and pea crops and can also be used on a wide range of native grasses (see label)

Thunder Label (http://www.cdms.net/LDat/ld8C4000.pdf)

Treflan is a pre-emergence herbicide that works best when incorporated.
Common crops are soybeans and alfalfa seedings but include other possibles such as brassicas. Till Treflan in very lightly to incorporate it before planting.
At $25 agallon it is a fairly low cost herbicide.

Treflan label (http://dowagro.com/PublishedLiterature/dh_0083/0901b803800839b2.pdf?...)

Treflan HFP (http://www.greenbook.net/docs/LABEL/L39424.PDF) is labeled for red and alsike clover as well as alfalfa, birdsfoot-trefoil, soybeans, peas and brassicas.

Tordon® 22K specialty herbicide (picloram) Stops tough weeds and shrubs that other methods miss. Tordon 22K specialty herbicide is a Restricted Use Pesticide.

Tordon® 22K label (http://www.dowagro.com/usag/prod/050.htm)

Valor® XLT Soybean Herbicide (http://www.valent.com/agriculture/products/valorxlt/index.cfm)

Valor XLT offers the broadest spectrum, longest residual preemerge control of tough small and large seeded broadleaves as well as competitive grass performance. Valor XLT even controls glyphosate-resistant weeds including waterhemp, Palmer pigweed, marestail and giant ragweed.Valor® XLT Soybean Herbicide label (http://www.valent.com/Data/Labels/2008-VXLT-0001%20Valor%20XLT%20form%201631-C.pdf)

Volunteer (generic version of Select) (http://www.cdms.net/ldat/ld6HP000.pdf)

Surfactants and Adjuvants - crop oil, AMS, etc. to make your herbicides more effective.
surfactants or adjuvants (http://www.ext.colostate.edu/pubs/crops/00559.html)

Role of spray adjuvants with postemergence herbicides (http://www.weeds.iastate.edu/mgmt/2001/additives.htm)

Adjuvants (http://tncweeds.ucdavis.edu/products/handbook/21.Adjuvants.pdf)

Effects of Surfactants and Adjuvants on postemergence herbicide (http://ag.arizona.edu/crop/presentations/2003/mccloskey092403.pdf)
Adjuvants (http://tfpg.cas.psu.edu/54.htm)

Be sure to use goggles and nitrile gloves when handling herbicides:

Nitrile Gloves (http://www.glovesaver.com/niexgl.html)

Other general links:
RECURRING QUESTIONS ON GRASS CONTROL IN FORAGE PLOTS - clover/alflafa (http://www.whitetailinstitute.com/products/herbicides/questions.html)

Managing Weeds in Alfalfa (http://lubbock.tamu.edu/othercrops/pdf/alfalfa/nmsuweedmgmt.pdf)

On line herbicide source (http://keystonepestsolutions.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=10&zenid=b906480fdeeb50a7cd3505e24c2ccfb6)

Agriliance Herbicide list (http://www.agriliance.com/Dealer/CropProtection/ProductInformation.aspx?id=1#Herbicides)

Agri-Star generic herbicide cross ref. (http://www.albaughinc.com/news.htm)

Sprayer calibration

Calibrating Back Sprayers (http://extension.oregonstate.edu/catalog/html/pnw/pnw320/)

Calibrating Field Sprayers (http://muextension.missouri.edu/explore/agguides/agengin/g01270.htm)

Sprayer Calibration (http://www.aragriculture.org/weeds/slides/sprayer_calibration.pdf)

Iowa Noxious Weeds and the Iowa Weed Law (http://www.weeds.iastate.edu/reference/weedlaw.htm)

ISU Weed Science Links (http://www.weeds.iastate.edu/)

ISU Weed Management - great link! (http://www.weeds.iastate.edu/mgmt/)

North Dakota Weed Control Guide (http://www.ag.ndsu.edu/weeds/w253/w253w.htm)

Weed Identification (http://weedid.aces.uiuc.edu/)

Weed ID Guide (http://www.ppws.vt.edu/weedindex.htm)

Weed Science (http://weeds.cropsci.uiuc.edu/weedid.htm)

2007 Corn Weed Control Guide (http://weedguides.cornandsoybeandigest.com/corn/search.cfm)

Herbicides for direct tree seeding (http://www.dnr.state.mn.us/areas/forestry/faribault/directseeding4.html)

Effective Herbicide Use in Christmas Tree Plantations (http://forestry.msu.edu/extension/ExtDocs/plntatn.htm)

Mode of action - how herbicides work (http://tncweeds.ucdavis.edu/products/handbook/08.HerbicideProperties.pdf)

Us pre-emergent herbicide with Roundup (http://www.csrees.usda.gov/newsroom/lgunews/ag_systems/news003.html)

Controlling Sedges (http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/depts/hort/hil/hil-647.html)

Many herbicides come in 2 ½ gallon jugs or in the case of Oust $600 to 700 per container.

Most of us might only need to treat a small acreage or plot so in many cases 2 or more people can split herbicide.

This thread could be a place to post an interest in splitting a particular herbicide, ask questions and offer advice.

If anyone knows of other herbicides that would be useful for others to be aware of please post your ideas and I will add them.

Check Dbltree's Corner (http://iowawhitetail.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=45) for informational threads on crops and trees where these herbicides might be used

[FarmlandQDM]

Again ...excellent info Paul ... if you are not on the IW payroll you should be ... thanks for the post!

[captain]

Wow....Paul, once again you have outdone yourself.Very impressive.
Since it may be awhile till this information becomes most useful...I would like for you sticky this thread for awhile so it doesn't get buried.

[risto2351]

Paul,
Great job you are doing.
You really go beyond what is expected of you to help everyone.
Hope you have a Happy New Year.

[dbltree]

I know spring is a ways off...but you know there is that little thing called planning http://www.iowawhitetail.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

With all the trees that may be going in under the updated CRP tree planting program, I'm hoping to drum up enough interest in Oust to split a jug of that.

These are herbicides that I personally could split with someone.

OUST for tree plantings

Dual II Magnum corn, beans and sorghum

Poast Plus clover and alfalfa

Plenty of time yet but if you think you might have a need for an 1/2 a jug or in the case of Oust... (4- 6 ounces per acre) either post or PM me.

If your thinking about swapping anything with Rudd...you might want to keep the original container http://www.iowawhitetail.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.iowawhitetail.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Daver]

Hey there... I believe I could get in on that Poast Plus deal. I don't know for sure how much I would need though in terms of gallons. I will probably need to spray about 3-4 acres of clover.

[Skully]

I may be up for some too. I turned in my application and have been drawing up a plan of where I want to plant my trees. I talked to a neighbor who planted about 25 acres several years ago and he said he would never plant 12 inch seedlings if he had it to do over again. He said he lost about 50% of the white pines that he planted. He said that the raw seeds he planted are doing better than the seedlings. I would cry If I went to all that work and lost half my trees. Needless to say, I am confused on what path to take. I hope a meeting with my district forester will give me some more insight. I will be asking lost of questions here as well. Happy planning!

[ibohunt65]

Looking to split a 2.5 gallon container of Journey for NWSG. At 32oz/acre half a container would treat 5 acres. The cost for the whole container would be approximately $325 plus shipping. I occassionally drive through council bluffs, des moines, oskaloosa and brighton. If anyone is interested PM me.

[dbltree]

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Hey there... I believe I could get in on that Poast Plus deal.

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Ok...but delivery costs extra http://www.iowawhitetail.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I hope to post links to all the different "crops" and the per acre usage of each herbicide and app. costs. I'll check locally on the prices also.

We'll figure on splittin some Poast, Dave.

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he said he would never plant 12 inch seedlings if he had it to do over again

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Skully when it comes to planting trees... size matters but... bigger isn't always better http://www.iowawhitetail.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

We'll cover that in the tree planting post but herbicides are very important to survivability and faster growth http://www.iowawhitetail.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/waytogo.gif

[ QUOTE ]
Looking to split a 2.5 gallon container of Journey for NWSG. At 32oz/acre half a container would treat 5 acres. The cost for the whole container would be approximately $325 plus shipping.

[/ QUOTE ]

ibohunt65 I'm hoping to get a hold of some Plateau which would be even better then Journey...so we'll plan on splitting some unless someone else chimes in for some also.

[ibohunt65]

Done deal either way.

Thanks,

[hootowlhollow]

I have used Poast plu on Alfalfa and clover before and I should caution uou that it can get "hot" on the crop. Meaning it can burn the leaves badly. I suggest an alternative product called select which comes in a gallon size and smaller use rate. maybe easier to handle on smaller fields.

[dbltree]

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I have used Poast Plus on Alfalfa and clover before and I should caution you that it can get "hot" on the crop. Meaning it can burn the leaves badly. I suggest an alternative product called select which comes in a gallon size and smaller use rate. maybe easier to handle on smaller fields.

[/ QUOTE ]

Thanks! I'll add it to the list http://www.iowawhitetail.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/waytogo.gif

Select 2 EC herbicide (http://www.cdms.net/ldat/ld67N004.pdf)

[dbltree]

Normally you can find most herbicides at your local ag supply but sometimes time constraints make online ordering a better option.

If you only have Saturday to get your clover sprayed...you want to spend it spraying...not shopping! http://www.iowawhitetail.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Here's an excellent online source for many commonly used "foodplot" type herbicides:

Keystone Pest Solutions (http://keystonepestsolutions.com/index.php?main_page=products_all&zenid=b906480fdee b50a7cd3505e24c2ccfb6)

I don't know about shipping but the listed prices are not only reasonable but in some cases lower then I can buy them locally.

They also carry crop oil and surfactant which is often required with many herbicides.

Just another option for those who prefer "click click click" buying http://www.iowawhitetail.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[turtlshell]

There's another Glyphosate formulation called Rodeo. It's specifically for use around water and aquatic vegetation.

RODEO (http://www.dowagro.com/ivm/invasive/prod/rodeo.htm)

This is a neat thread. A lot of information. Thanks for posting.

[dbltree]

Since spring is fast approaching please remember to check this thread for suggested application rates and guidelines to applying herbicides.

2007 North Dakota Weed Control Guide (http://www.ag.ndsu.edu/weeds/w253/w253w.htm) is an excellent guide to almost every type of weed, crop and herbicide use imagineable.

I try to keep updating this thread with new herbicides that are brought up but please...if I've missed any, let me know and I'll add them http://www.iowawhitetail.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/waytogo.gif

[risto2351]

I was just wondering if there is anyone in the N.E. Iowa area that will be putting food plots in this spring that would like to split some products?
Please let me know.

[treerat]

If anyone in NE Iowa needs Pendulum for a tree planting, I could split a case (2-2.5 gal) at $105@ 2.5 gal. The dealer needs to special order and will not carry the other half.

[huntdoc]

Hey doubletree,
Would it be helpful to add a section for adjuvants like crop oil and ammonium sulfate type stuff? Maybe it is already up there and I missed it but I know I am not real wise when it comes to using that stuff. Thanks again for all the good info.

[dbltree]

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Hey doubletree,
Would it be helpful to add a section for adjuvants like crop oil and ammonium sulfate type stuff? Maybe it is already up there and I missed it but I know I am not real wise when it comes to using that stuff. Thanks again for all the good info.

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[ajadams]

I will have some clover plots and some areas of switch to spray this summer. Can I use 2-4db on both?

[dbltree]

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I will have some clover plots and some areas of switch to spray this summer. Can I use 2-4db on both?

[/ QUOTE ]

I'm not aware of any reason why not...2-4DB is a broadleaf herbicide so shouldn't have any affect on switchgrass or any other grasses....just don't spray it on chicory if you have that in your clover plot.

[Kirch]

what is the difference between poast and poast plus. It seems to me that plus is a little weaker. Also, what's the deal with the Add Crop Oil Concentrate (Peptoil) additive that needs to be added?? I just planted a clover top in upstate NY and was doing some research on arrest when I found this GREAT site talking about poast. Also, is there a shelf life on poast?

THANKS

[LoessHillsArcher]

Alright, we are completely clueless when it comes to herbicides. Our situation is we have a bunch of plants (shrubs, pines, and spruces) that are in brome right now. We hadn't got a chance to prep the ground and kill the brome before but wondering what is best to kill it after the plants are in the ground. Is there a herbicide safe for trees/shrubs that will kill brome? Our initial thoughts are to get a 5 gallon bucket, some round up, sprayer, and cover up the trees with the bucket and apply round up to grass.

[dbltree]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">we are completely clueless when it comes to herbicides </div></div>

That makes two of us... /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/blush.gif /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

There are grass herbicides that will work on trees but some require spraying before they bud, some can be sprayed over the top.

I'll check when i have time but I believe you can find details about tree herbicides in the tree planting thread.

I use Oust but it is expensive and pretty potent. Surflan, Fulisade, Poast and Pendulam come to mind off the top of my head.

I use a back pack sprayer and direct the spray along the base of the trees andif I need Roundup I attach a 2x2 to a 5 gallon bucket upside down and walk along, cover the tree and spray.

Pain in the butt but it works! /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/cool.gif

[LoessHillsArcher]

Good thing we've got a few of us working on this, thinking about getting multiple 5 ballon buckets to help speed the process. Brome is our major problem, just a few weeds but might go with Round Up to cover all areas.

[northwoods whitetails]

what is the best % to use roundup (the 41% glyphosate type) i have a 30 gallon atv sprayer and i have a list for mixing 1%, 2%,5%, and 10%... i'm just killing some grass prior to tilling and planting beans.
any suggestions???

[nannyslayer]

Good rule of thumb is, when mixing for a hand sprayer or atv sprayer, put 2 oz per gallon of water. This will give you a really good dose of round up, equal to about a quart per acre.

[uk buck]

Great info here.

What would you recommend for NWSG seeded last month that is already greening up with grass and a few weeds?
NRCS recommended (and would only pay for) 2 spring RU sprayings. I paid for 4oz per acre of Plateau out of my own pocket. Unfortunately, the plateau ran out leaving 12 acres with RU only. The plateau acres are still mostly brown while the RU only acres are greening back up.

[Sligh1]

Expensive or extensive to get your RUP permit? A basic idea of how expensive, maintanence to keep permit, how extensive and time taking is testing. What's entailed and is it worth it for someone with 300 acres whose a crazed-project fool?!?!? Thanks!

[dbltree]

I studied for it one upon a time but then I managed to locate enough friends to help me out and never did take the test.

You certainly could easily pass the test with a little study. I believe there is an online study booklet and they have periodic classes thru out the state.

Last I knew it was about $75 a year and you have to take periodic test or classes to keep your license updated. /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

[nannyslayer]

75 for the test once you pass, then you have to go sit through 8 hours of refresher courses every year, and as long as you keep that up, you will never have to take the class again.

[Sligh1]

Sounds like I am going to do it. I have about 30 gallons of Atrazine for early spring spraying!

ROUND-UP, quick question, did a 2 minute search, cheapest place I found was that Keystone for $189 for FIVE gallons. Not saying I'll buy online BUT is that about as low as you can go for Glyphosate 41% OR should I look elsewhere to get best deal?

I have a magazine/catalog in front of me right now with Razor Pro 41% Glysophate Isoproylamine Salt, 2 & 1/2 gallons (26 lbs) for $56.50. Not sure if this is good stuff or seems like good deal?

[dbltree]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">41% Glysophate Isoproylamine Salt </div></div>

That's the key right there...apples to apples when pricing gly.

41% is 41% other then Roundup PowerMax (http://www.monsanto.com/monsanto/ag_products/crop_protection/products/roundup_power_max.asp) has "stickers/ Surfactants (http://www.ext.colostate.edu/pubs/crops/00559.html) " in it (that you can add yourelf to generics)

Nannyslayer can give more detailed info and pricing comparisons /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

[Sligh1]

Last Herb question!!! (At least for the next 10 minutes /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif )
I was going to spray Atrazine at 2-4 (likely 4) quarts to the acre which will require like a Bazillion Gallons of it for how much I'll spray (ok only 30 acres). I was told today that if I bought dried form of Atrazine in 25 lbs bags it was $75-ish BUT the main point was I was told I could put it on at 1 & 1/2 lbs to the acre WHICH would be so easy to just go buy 100 lbs worth and be done (and have some left over).

Thoughts on powder/dry form and equivelency to liquid????

[dbltree]

Atrazine comes in wettable powders and 2 1/2 gallon jugs of liquid.

I can still remember the "powder" days... /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/mad.gif

That stuff is miserable to mix and keep mixed!! You have to have an excellent agitation system and even then it plugs up screens in nozzles and well...it's just a pain!

Liquid is bad enough because it's thick and still can be difficult to keep agitated.

Why on earth would you want powder??? It's just as easy to buy it in boxes containing (2) 2 1/2 gallon jugs, easy to store, easy (ok...easier /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif ) to use etc.

Trust me...if your using an ATV sprayer...forget the powder! /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

[Sligh1]

Going in to get my Applicator's Permit for my land, it's $15 for the test and I am taking it in Des Moines. Kinda excited to get it! I am not very smart at all, I heard if you answer "C" for every answer AND "True" you'll pass it!?!??! J/K, should be cool having it though!

[dbltree]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Going in to get my Applicator's Permit </div></div>

Cool! Let us know how it goes! /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/cool.gif

[huntyak]

So my friend and I had a discussion that weeds didn't have to be cut before spraying. I said that from what I've read they should be but really couldn't explain why as his argument was the root system will get it either way. Can anybody comment on why they should be cut before spraying with Select as an example versus just spraying in general?

[dbltree]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Can anybody comment on why they should be cut before spraying with Select as an example versus just spraying in general?
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I tested some Selct on mature brome and it still killed it deader n a doornail /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

However...we want the grass to absorb the herbicide and grass that has been cut will quickly regrow and easily absorb the herbicide (the crop oil helps it stick to the leaf and absorb easier)

Mature grass reaches a point where it is no longer actively growing and it begins to go to seed and almost dormant (for lack of a better word) absorption will be slower and a quick clean kill more difficult.

That's an ole farmers view in laymans terms but nannyslayer perhaps can explain it better then I /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/blush.gif /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

[nannyslayer]

Pretty much nailed it on the head.

[huntyak]

Thanks

[Long_Spur_Hollow]

I have a 22 acre field of young Switchgrass (1 to 2 years old) that has 5 or 6 types of clovers and alfalfas seeded with it as well - also just 1 year old. This "forbe componant" in theory will feed deer and also be a "bug factory" for pheasants. The problem I have is a fine and wirey "short grass matt" of some type of cool season perenial grass...almost like blue grass or such as well as some brome grass. If I apply poast plus (or an alternative herbicide that you suggest) now - prior to the switchgrass starting to grow, will any residual chemical harm the switch? Note that the cool season grasses as noted above as well as the clovers and alfalfas have started to green up. Or does Poast Plus has zero residual... as it is a foliage contact herbicide?

I realize that I could spray with glyph any time in the next 2 or 3 weeks, and this would kill the target cool season grasses, and not have an effect on the switchgrass...but I also feel that it may damage or kill the young forbes, which I want to preserve.

I am located in Southern Wisconsin. Thanks for your input.
Mike

[dbltree]

it is a foliage contact herbicide

I don't think you'll have any residual effect as Poast requires the use of crop oil to get the product to stick to the leaf, so it shouldn't be a problem. :)

[Long_Spur_Hollow]

Thanks for the feedback, while I am new at posting here...I have been an active reader of the habitat threads for about 4 years. You guys are really a wealth of information.

Is there a better " selective grass killer" than Poast plus? - perhaps Select, or Slay, or the generic equivelants?

Mike

[dbltree]

Select (clethodim) is far more effective then Poast IMO and Arrow is just one generic version. Use 6-8 ounces per acre with crop oil and it wil kill the fire out of grasses...so make sure your switchgrass isn't greening up!!!;)

[deer.man1]

Im having a hard time finding some panoramic in my area,does any one know where some can be ordered from. Thanks

[dbltree]

Im having a hard time finding some panoramic in my area,does any one know where some can be ordered from. Thanks

Most ag supply/farm elevators should be able to order it but check this source if not.

Panoramic Source (http://www.genericherbicides.com/panoramic2sl.aspx)

[risto2351]

Just wondering if this is enough Glyphosate. or do I need more in the mix?

It is touchdown total.

I can get it in bulk and would be $57.00 a gallon.


Herbicide: Touchdown total
Nonselective Foliar Systemic Herbicide for Weed Control
Active Ingredient:
*Glyphosate: N-(phosphonomethyl) glycine . . . . . . . . . . . . . 36.5%
Other Ingredients: 63.5%
Total: 100.0%

Or I can get Honcho which comes in 2.5 gallon jugs and is $42.00 a gallon.
Honcho has 41% Gly.

How long could I keep a jug of this??

[dbltree]

Just wondering if this is enough Glyphosate. or do I need more in the mix?

It is touchdown total.

I can get it in bulk and would be $57.00 a gallon.


Herbicide: Touchdown total
Nonselective Foliar Systemic Herbicide for Weed Control
Active Ingredient:
*Glyphosate: N-(phosphonomethyl) glycine . . . . . . . . . . . . . 36.5%
Other Ingredients: 63.5%
Total: 100.0%

Or I can get Honcho which comes in 2.5 gallon jugs and is $42.00 a gallon.
Honcho has 41% Gly.

How long could I keep a jug of this??

You would need to use roughly 5% more of the 36% which is no big deal of course but the Honcho is certainly a better deal. Might check around with some one to split a 2 1/2 gallon jug with.

TSC had 2 1/2 gallon jugs of 41% for $99 the other day or many farmers buy it for much less in 33 gallon barrels and you might get one to sell you a gallon...;)

[risto2351]

How long will it keep ?

[dbltree]

How long will it keep ?

I'm not sure anyone really knows but they say 2 years shelf life for glyphosate but even then it I doubt that it would just "stop working", just start to lose some of it's effectiveness. ;)

[ajadams]

Just got a Theisen's ad in the mail and they have Cropsmart 41% 2.5 Gal for 32.99. Thats cheaper than it was 3 years ago before they jacked the prices up. At least something is getting cheaper.

[dbltree]

Just got a Theisen's ad in the mail and they have Cropsmart 41% 2.5 Gal for 32.99. Thats cheaper than it was 3 years ago before they jacked the prices up. At least something is getting cheaper.

We went together with friends and bought Gly in 30 gallon containers for $10 a gallon...:way:

Stopped by a local Farm and Home store and stocked up on AMS, crop oil, spray dye and Tordon RTU... :)

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Herbicides/adjuvants.jpg

Surfactants and Adjuvants are important to help many herbicides act more effectively and in some cases they may be all but worthless without the help of a surfacant.

Usually they aren't expensive and a little goes a long ways so it pays to understand what they are, how they work and where to get them and when to use them.

I use crop oil frequently because it increases the effectivness of many post-emergent herbicides and the dye is very helpful when spraying with a backpack sprayer...so check the links in the first post to learn how to use Surfactants and Adjuvants to make your herbicides more effective... ;)

[dbltree]

One thing about herbicides...you also have to apply them! :D

I use my Solo backpack sprayer extensively to spray everything from food plots to tree plantings and it has lasted nearly 15 years. I also use a Stihl sprayer...very well built but difficult to pump up.

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Equipment/Sprayers.jpg

If you have thoughts on sprayers of any kind or size...please share so others know what might work best for them...:)

[jrb70]

Will spraying Glyphosate on inoculated seed hurt seed germination?

[dbltree]

Will spraying Glyphosate on inoculated seed hurt seed germination?

Gly has to be sprayed on the leaves of growing plants to be effective so it should have no effect on seeds.

Herbicides like 2-4D DO have residual effects that can keep seeds from germinating so that's a good question...:way:

[jrb70]

Thanks a lot, appreciate all your information on here!

[waylonb19]

When spraying select at 6-8 ounces and one quart of crop oil per acre, could someone give me a rough idea on how much water is needed per acre? I understand it will vary depending on spray tips and speed but I would like to get a rough estimate. Thanks

[Alpha Doe]

Our 40 gallon Fimco sprayer will use 13 gallons /A. Our 110 gallon Fimco sprayer uses about 20 gallons /A. Each sprayer is different and a steady speed is needed.:)

[DH1]

I'm looking at spraying about 2-3 acres to take out the grass and weeds and set-up a few 1 acre plots for a late summer planting of rye/clover mix. I'm trying to get an idea of about how much time it would take with a backpack sprayer to cover an acre. I have an ATV, but it would be difficult to get to the site about 7 miles away. I haven't used either type of sprayer but it sounds like once the ATV sprayer is calibrated it would be be more in the 10-30 minute range per acre.

[dbltree]

I'm looking at spraying about 2-3 acres to take out the grass and weeds and set-up a few 1 acre plots for a late summer planting of rye/clover mix. I'm trying to get an idea of about how much time it would take with a backpack sprayer to cover an acre. I have an ATV, but it would be difficult to get to the site about 7 miles away. I haven't used either type of sprayer but it sounds like once the ATV sprayer is calibrated it would be be more in the 10-30 minute range per acre.

My 3 gallon backpack sprayer does about a 1/2 acre at a steady walk and it takes probably a 1/2 hour although I never really timed it.

2-3 acres will take quite a while but it is possible...;)

[DH1]

dbltree, thanks much, I'm leaning towards picking up an ATV sprayer, but now I have an idea of what I'm in for if I go the backpack sprayer route. I don't have much in the way of equipment just an ATV mower and seed spreader, so I'm adding this year as needed and then I'll add some more next year as well. Sounds like a spiked toothed harrow would work get the fertilizer under the ground and take care of the planting depth needed for oats and peas.

I've always enjoyed gardening and the deer hunting, so you'd think putting in food plots seems like such a natural thing to do. But I really have no practical experience with it, you're threads have been so helpful, lots of insite and some great ideas. Over the years, improving the 40 has been limited to planting tree seedings. Only thing that really took were pines put in for a road screen travel corridor. Other trees and shrubs that were fortunate enough to make it through the summer drought, didn't make it through the winter, after they were pounded by the deer. Last year tried some tree tubes, which helped with growth and kept the deer off them, (visited them earlier this year in March), so now I'm inclined to try some of those dwarf oaks you mentioned on your other thread. But that will be next year's project, this year I really want to give these plots a shot.

[Joey Rott]

I've been doing some research lately on preparing to plant a small vineyard next to my house and was looking at recommended herbidices used. I came acros a pre-emergence herbicide called Casoron.

After researching it quite a bit, it looks like it's safe on use on all kinds of stuff, from gardens, vineyard, fruit orchards to deciduous trees. You apply it in the winter and it gives a residual pre-emergence control for the whole season.

http://www.idealtruevalue.com/catalog/getimage_new_4594_1.asp

An 8lb bag of granules is about $25. Has anyone ever tried this stuff? I might give it a try this winter by putting it in areas that i've killed with Roundup, and see how it performs, for next year.

[dbltree]

Casoron (dichlobenil) for selective weed control in cranberry
bogs, ornamentals, nurseries, fruit orchards, vineyards, forest
plantations, public green areas, and for total weed control.

Casoron Label (http://pmep.cce.cornell.edu/profiles/herb-growthreg/dalapon-ethephon/dichlobenil/herb-prof-dichlobenil.html)

Let us know what you think of it Joey...:)

[waylonb19]

Atrazine is safe on miscanthus gianteus right? I am pretty sure it is. I have 10 plants I need to spray around. Could someone give me a mixing ratio (water to atrazine)? I don't want to burn these things up. To expensive. :D

[dbltree]

Atrazine is safe on miscanthus gianteus right? I am pretty sure it is. I have 10 plants I need to spray around. Could someone give me a mixing ratio (water to atrazine)? I don't want to burn these things up. To expensive. :D

Yes atrazine is safe on miscanthus and I think you would literally have to dump it on to kill it! Legal rate is 2 1/2 quarts per acre sp as always you need to calibrate your hand sprayer first.

Simazine will also work and it is not a restricted use herbicide...;)

[waylonb19]

I am needing to spray my clover plots with Butyrac 200. Could someone tell me how many hrs or days I need to spray before we get a rain on it? I can't find any info about that on the label. Thanks.

[Nontypcl1]

I found this chart a while back on rainfastness of herbicides. According to this chart 6hrs should be good.

http://www.simsfarm.com/images/E0162301/Rain_Free_Chart%5B2%5D.pdf

It is only a guide for approximate times. I have sprayed butyrac200 8hrs or so before a rain and got a pretty decent kill. Adding a spreader sticker will improve rainfastness of many herbicides, but make sure to read the label to determine if additives may be used.

[waylonb19]

Thanks for the info. I went ahead and sprayed them today. Figure I got done around 2:30. They are calling for rain but not till later. Hope they are right. :way:

[letemgrow]

One thing about herbicides...you also have to apply them! :D

I use my Solo backpack sprayer extensively to spray everything from food plots to tree plantings and it has lasted nearly 15 years. I also use a Stihl sprayer...very well built but difficult to pump up.

If you have thoughts on sprayers of any kind or size...please share so others know what might work best for them...:)

Bought a stanley back pack sprayer from Sam's Club for 44 bucks and it has worked great for the past year. Carry it in the car all the time with me for when I find an invasive, tree plantings or new areas that will be planting in the coming years.

[letemgrow]

Prowl H20 or Prowl 3.3, whats the difference but a small percentage of the active ingredient? That seems to be a one stop shop for my herbicide needs, I can spray the perennial sunflowers, shrubs, trees and wild bean I am planting.

[dbltree]

Prowl H20 or Prowl 3.3, whats the difference but a small percentage of the active ingredient? That seems to be a one stop shop for my herbicide needs, I can spray the perennial sunflowers, shrubs, trees and wild bean I am planting.

I doubt there is a hill a beans difference Phil...except perhaps the price...;)

[brokentines]

Just wanted to let anyone know that might be looking for a relativley inexpensive ATV sprayer about this one.

http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200347991_200347991

I bought it after Christmas last year and used it this last summer quite a bit. I was very happy with this sprayer. I picked it because I use an old honda big red and didn't want a 30 gallon sprayer. The 16 gal is very manageable on smaller atvs. It broadcast a nice wide path and makes spraying foodplots a snap. The only con is if you are going to try to spray up into trees like for fruit trees it doesn't have a lot of head pressure. It would be fine for spot spraying around trees but don't expect it to spray UP very high.
Price plus perfomance.
Before this sprayer I used a 4 gallon back pack sprayer, but this takes the cake.

[Sligh1]

Dbltree and myself were talking about a transfer pump that takes the round-up out of the big barrels we buy and put in small containers- we bought some 30 gallon barrels last year. Hand pumps STINK. He was saying one of the guys bought a pump that goes on a drill head and you just hit the trigger on the drill... Presto- quick liquid transfer into your container, pretty slick. $10!!!! I googled several types of these, I just bought one yesterday.... Just google "transfer pump, drill" or here's some sources....
http://www.google.com/products/catalog?hl=en&q=transfer+pump,+drill&psj=1&um=1&ie=UTF-8&cid=8851199720346568981&ei=I_49Td6LMMrVgQex4pjBCA&sa=X&oi=product_catalog_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CD8Q8wIwAg#

This brand above and below is NOT the brand I bought but I assume they are all about the same....
Wayne DPFTK1 Drill Powered Fluid Transfer Utility Pump Kit



Just an FYI if you all are looking for a cheap and quick way to transfer liquids and you're sick of those silly hand-pumps.

[dbltree]

Ebay can be a great place to find smaller quantities of herbicides that are not often carried at local co-ops. They can order for you but usually will require that you take a full case which may cost 500-600 bucks!

Shipping can be a few bucks more of course but far less then buying a full case!

Here are a few examples"

Remedy and relegate are used for basal bark spraying of brush or invasives like honeysuckle and locust trees

Relegate Herbicide 1 Gal - Compare to Remedy Ultra (http://cgi.ebay.com/Relegate-Herbicide-1-Gal-Compare-Remedy-Ultra-PA-/400138877026?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5d2a22b862)

Remedy Ultra Herbicide - 1 Gallon - Brush Killer (http://cgi.ebay.com/Remedy-Ultra-Herbicide-1-Gallon-Brush-Killer-PA-/400138875228?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5d2a22b15c)

Prowl H20 is registered in over 90 crops, including on corn (field, pop, seed and sweet), cotton, edible beans, garlic, grain sorghum, alfalfa, lentils and peas, bearing grape, bearing fruit and nut trees, , nonbearing fruit and nut crops, nonbearing vineyards, onions and shallots (dry bulb), peanuts, potatoes, rice, soybeans, sugarcane, sunflowers, perennial grasses grown for seed, clover grown for seed, carrots grown for seed, strawberries, mint (peppermint and spearmint), tobacco, and wheat

Prowl H2O Herbicide with Pendimethalin 2.5 gallons (http://cgi.ebay.com/Prowl-H2O-Herbicide-Pendimethalin-2-5-gallons-/250657097842?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a5c53c872)

Prowl is very effective on pigweed and safe on apple trees for instance so it has a wide variety of uses

Drive 75F is the same as Paramount and provides effective post emergence control of foxtail in switchgrass and big bluestem. It's available in larger quantities, just search the product name on Ebay

DRIVE 75 HERBICIDE - 1 LB (QUINCLORAC) (http://cgi.ebay.com/DRIVE-75-HERBICIDE-1-LB-QUINCLORAC-CRABGRASS-1-AC-/400119673589?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5d28fdb2f5)

DRIVE XLR8 Herbicide,NEW! Faster,More Effective! 1/2Gal (http://cgi.ebay.com/DRIVE-XLR8-Herbicide-NEW-Faster-More-Effective-1-2Gal-/230517836162?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35abef0982)

Clethodim is the most effective grass herbicide that is safe to use on clovers, alfalfa's, soybeans and virtually any other broadleaf from brassicas to sunflowers. There are less expensive sources (check Rural King) but you can find it on Ebay as well

ARROW 1 gal Grass Herbicide - Replaces Arrest, Trigger (http://cgi.ebay.com/ARROW-1-gal-Grass-Herbicide-Replaces-Arrest-Trigger-/390167336201?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5ad7c91509)

Oryzalin (Surflan) is very safe for use on many shrubs and trees and works well when combined with Princep 4L(simazine)

SURFLAN AS Selective PreEmerg Herbicide Oryzalin GALLON (http://cgi.ebay.com/SURFLAN-Selective-PreEmerg-Herbicide-Oryzalin-GALLON-/360248364327?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item53e079cd27)

Sedehammer for control of sedges

Sedgehammer herbicide BOTTLE 1.3oz Nutgrass weeds (http://cgi.ebay.com/Sedgehammer-herbicide-BOTTLE-1-3oz-Nutgrass-weeds-/330533021431?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4cf54da6f7)

Simazine 4L for use on trees and switchgrass, corn, Egyptian wheat etc.

Simazine 4L Pre Emergent Herbicide 2.5 gallons (http://cgi.ebay.com/Simazine-4L-Pre-Emergent-Herbicide-2-5-gallons-/250657097167?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a5c53c5cf)

Milestone for controlling thistles and broadleaves in NWSG

Milestone Specialty Herbicide w/ Aminopyralid 1 quart (http://cgi.ebay.com/Milestone-Specialty-Herbicide-w-Aminopyralid-1-quart-/250657098454?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a5c53cad6)

2 4-DB for controlling broadleaf weeds in clover

Butyrac 200 1 gal (http://cgi.ebay.com/Deer-Food-Plot-Broadleaf-Herbicide-Butyrac-200-1-gal-/400040007659?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5d243e17eb)

Try searching "herbicide" for products you may not even have thought of, then check local sources and even online sources listed at the beginning of this thread. The products listed here may not be the least expensive option but and option nonetheless for those who may not be able to find the products they need... :way:

[IQDM]

Dbltree and myself were talking about a transfer pump that takes the round-up out of the big barrels we buy and put in small containers- we bought some 30 gallon barrels last year. Hand pumps STINK. He was saying one of the guys bought a pump that goes on a drill head and you just hit the trigger on the drill... Presto- quick liquid transfer into your container, pretty slick. $10!!!! I googled several types of these, I just bought one yesterday.... Just google "transfer pump, drill" or here's some sources....
http://www.google.com/products/catalog?hl=en&q=transfer+pump,+drill&psj=1&um=1&ie=UTF-8&cid=8851199720346568981&ei=I_49Td6LMMrVgQex4pjBCA&sa=X&oi=product_catalog_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CD8Q8wIwAg#

This brand above and below is NOT the brand I bought but I assume they are all about the same....
Wayne DPFTK1 Drill Powered Fluid Transfer Utility Pump Kit



Just an FYI if you all are looking for a cheap and quick way to transfer liquids and you're sick of those silly hand-pumps.

Another cheap way is to use gravity...
http://i631.photobucket.com/albums/uu38/pipping22/DSC00725.jpg
We have water plumbed up to a 1000gal tank which fills the sprayer in a hurry! The round up and 2-4D is also ran by gravity.
The hoses run outside so all we have to do is pull up, fill up, and off we go!
http://i631.photobucket.com/albums/uu38/pipping22/DSC00727.jpg
http://i631.photobucket.com/albums/uu38/pipping22/DSC00728.jpg
This is set up more for full scale farming, but a smaller version could also be done using this system.:way:

[letemgrow]

When is a good time in spring to start applying oust or any of the other residuals? Wanting to get a head start on the weeds and the last 2 years of oak seedlings.

[dbltree]

When is a good time in spring to start applying oust or any of the other residuals? Wanting to get a head start on the weeds and the last 2 years of oak seedlings.

Very late March to early April when snow and frost are gone...:way:

[SDHunt24/7]

I am brand new to the forum and have found the info here very useful. Thanks to all who contribute. My property is located in south-central SD/north-central NE. I have a couple of biologic Clover Plus plots and last year had a huge problem with a yellow stickered weed overtaking them. Mowing seemed to help towards fall, but I am worried that they will return this spring. I have finally identified the problem as Buffalo Bur. The clover plots I have also contain chicory. My question is can anyone recommend a herbicide that will treat the problem and not kill the clover and chicory products.

[dbltree]

I am brand new to the forum and have found the info here very useful. Thanks to all who contribute. My property is located in south-central SD/north-central NE. I have a couple of biologic Clover Plus plots and last year had a huge problem with a yellow stickered weed overtaking them. Mowing seemed to help towards fall, but I am worried that they will return this spring. I have finally identified the problem as Buffalo Bur. The clover plots I have also contain chicory. My question is can anyone recommend a herbicide that will treat the problem and not kill the clover and chicory products.

Repeated close mowing is probably your best bet! Dicamba, Triclopyr and 2,4-D will kill it but also the clover and chicory. It's not a weed common in my area so you might ask your local co-op or extension agent for more information.

Raptor is safe on clover and chicory ($550 a gallon!!) but the label doesn't mention Buffalo bur

[SDHunt24/7]

Repeated close mowing is probably your best bet! Dicamba, Triclopyr and 2,4-D will kill it but also the clover and chicory. It's not a weed common in my area so you might ask your local co-op or extension agent for more information.

Raptor is safe on clover and chicory ($550 a gallon!!) but the label doesn't mention Buffalo bur
I actually have some raptor I got from my father in law and was going to try it this year. Thanks.

[waylonb19]

I cut down a few locust trees in one of my plots last yr. I spray them with Tordon. Now I noticed it has killed my clover in certain areas. (some 6-8' beyond the stump) It's almost like the Tordon is following the main root out beyond the stump and the Tordon must of leached into the soil to kill my clovers. I guess I didn't think it would do that.

Also I was wondering if there is anything you can spray on your trees after you have pruned them to keep them from resprouting? I have a few maple trees in my yard that had crazy branches coming off the lower side of the tree and I cut them off and now I have a bunch of new sprouts that keep coming back yr. after yr. I am tired of cutting them off. So what can I spray or put on the sprouts that will kill them and not the tree?

[singlecoyote]

I used Crossbow to kill some re-growth in my TSI project. Don't know if it just kills the re-growth on contact or kills the stump and all.

[Sligh1]

I cut down a few locust trees in one of my plots last yr. I spray them with Tordon. Now I noticed it has killed my clover in certain areas. (some 6-8' beyond the stump) It's almost like the Tordon is following the main root out beyond the stump and the Tordon must of leached into the soil to kill my clovers. I guess I didn't think it would do that.


Not sure on your 2nd question. Your 1st, yes, I'm not surprised... Tordon is NASTY stuff, gotta be really careful not to go crazy with it in situations like yours & not over-spray/saturate stuff. Wet soils, etc. Your clover is gonna be toast for a while. :(

[jerred44]

Ok I need some help, I live in Pa and my dad is spraying my plots for me in Illinois, we usually just buy the herbicides from the Whitetail Institute, mostly its just easier for him to do it that way, but Im tired of spending way to much money so finally we Bought some Clethodium and Butyrac 200, I just dont know what rates to put them on. we have a 15 gallon atv sprayer and we will be putting these on our clover plots, do both clethodium and butyrac 200 need crop oil?

how much Clethodium do I use? with how much water? and crop oil?

how much Butyrac 200 do I use? with how much water? and crop oil?
thanks for the help!!

[Sligh1]

What ya think??? GENERIC Oust XP (Spyder) for $184 for 48 oz or $3.80 per oz....
http://www.keystonepestsolutions.com/spyder-herbicide-3-pounds-replaces-oust-xp-276.html

[mshm99]

I had always dis-liked stopping and hand pumping small sprayers. I don't think I'm the first guy to do this,but I don't recall seeing it else where. Anyway, bring a small air storage tank to the plot and apply pressure. I typically use 40 PSI. Hope some find this useful.

mike

http://iowawhitetail.com/gallery/files/12927-p1060002.jpg (http://iowawhitetail.com/forum/../gallery/files/12927-p1060002.jpg)

[mshm99]

The booklet that comes with the clethodim says for hand sprayers half once per gallon. The bean oil container said 1.3 oz per gallon. Also 10oz clethodim per acre with water not to exceed 20 gallon. My plots are small enough I did not bother calculating how much water I needed to cover an acre ,I just went with the half ounce per gallon to good effect.

Thanks Dbltree. Saw you in St Louis. Learned much. Learned even more here!

Mike

[dbltree]

The booklet that comes with the clethodim says for hand sprayers half once per gallon. The bean oil container said 1.3 oz per gallon. Also 10oz clethodim per acre with water not to exceed 20 gallon. My plots are small enough I did not bother calculating how much water I needed to cover an acre ,I just went with the half ounce per gallon to good effect.

Thanks Dbltree. Saw you in St Louis. Learned much. Learned even more here!

Mike

Thanks for the info Mike and welcome to IW! :way:

[BBD Big Buck Down]

Is there a herbicide that will work in oats, turnips, and clover? if not what herbicides do you recommend for these 3 plots that wont cost a ton of money? Thanks

[dbltree]

Is there a herbicide that will work in oats, turnips, and clover? if not what herbicides do you recommend for these 3 plots that wont cost a ton of money? Thanks

None come to mind? Clethodim will kill grasses in brassicas and clovers but it would kill the oats...

[letemgrow]

This may be another source to check out for Pendelum 3.3 EC....luckily I have a store in town so I can get out of the shipping costs. Prowl looks like the ticket for controlling unwanted weeds while keeping the goodies around. If it works like I hope, I can plant some trailing wild bean and perennial sunflowers as a native plot and get excellent weed control to get them started.

http://www.hummert.com/ProductDetail.aspx?Page=ProductList.aspx&ID=8128&C=04B&Title=Pre-Emergence%20Herbicides

[letemgrow]

Check out www.genericherbicides.com for another source of herbicides.