Egyptian Wheat

I wanted to share a few photo's of an egyptian wheat planting designed to create additional screening and edge in somewhat open terrain.

I was pleased with the effectiveness and deer usage through the middle of November yet as you can see the high winds and snow did knock down much of the planting - as seen in the second set of snow pictures.

Here are a few pictures from Nov 12th ...

http://www.iowawhitetail.com/photopost/data/535/medium/Buck_1_checking_does_in_turnips_-_3_November_12_08.jpg

http://www.iowawhitetail.com/photopost/data/535/medium/Buck_2_moving_towards_south_draw_below_turnips_-_1_November_12_08.jpg

http://www.iowawhitetail.com/photopost/data/535/medium/Buck_2_moving_towards_south_draw_below_turnips_-_2_November_12_08.jpg

These are from Nov 30th

http://www.iowawhitetail.com/photopost/data/535/medium/Deer_coming_from_the_west_-_2_November_30_08.jpg


http://www.iowawhitetail.com/photopost/data/535/medium/Fawns_in_turnips_November_30_08.jpg

The deer like to eat it as well ...

http://www.iowawhitetail.com/photopost/data/535/medium/Snacking_on_egyptian_wheat_November_30_08.jpg

[BOWSTRING]

Great pics

[nannyslayer]

Looks familar;)

Was wondering how that stuff worked out.

[dbltree]

Quote:
The deer like to eat it as well ...



Sweet!

Dang it nanny...where's mine??;)

[LoessHillsArcher]

What time of year did you plant that so it was mature by fall?

That's a good idea! I take it Egyptian wheat gets much taller than typical winter wheat?

[deer.man1]

Great pictures, Im planning on planting Egyptian wheat and sorghum together this spring and cant find a link pertaining to herbicids for Egyptian Wheat, does anybody have one, or does anyone know what herbicids will work for both. Thanks

[dbltree]

What time of year did you plant that so it was mature by fall?

That's a good idea! I take it Egyptian wheat gets much taller than typical winter wheat?





Egyptian wheat is not wheat at all but rather a type of sorghum.

It has a 120-150 day growing season so plant in May for most of us.


Great pictures, Im planning on planting Egyptian wheat and sorghum together this spring and cant find a link pertaining to herbicids for Egyptian Wheat, does anybody have one, or does anyone know what herbicids will work for both. Thanks



Atrazine will work as a herbicide at roughly 2 quarts/pounds per acre.

I think if you give it a heavy does of Nitrogen it will grow so fast and thick that weeds will not be a problem however.

Plant EW at 10#'s per acre by either broadcasting or drilling.

Soybeans make a good addition to an EW planting especially climbing soys.

Fertilize with 200-300 triple 19 or 100#'s of 46-0-0 urea for strong lush growth.

Planting Egyptian Wheat For Bobwhite Quail (http://www.wildlifemanagement.info/files/quail_5.pdf)

Egyptian Wheat Seed Source (http://www.seedland.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=Seedland&Category_Code=WG-EGYPT)

Egyptian Wheat - Cooper seed (http://www.cooperseeds.com/pages/dove/ssindividual.html)

Egyptian Wheat (Shallu) - Adams - Briscoe Seed Company (http://www.abseed.com/wgs_e.html)

[dbltree]

I planted several strips of Egyptian Wheat on May 11th and 12th so we'll see how it does.

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/EgyptianWheat.jpg

The following is planting info from Cooper Seeds:

Egyptian Wheat (http://www.cooperseeds.com/catalog/egyptian-wheat-p59.html)

Description
Egyptian wheat produces long, slender stalks that reach 7 to 10 feet in height. The loose seed heads are borne on light, drooping stems clustered at the top of the plants. The rounded, slightly flattened seeds are smaller than most other grain sorghum seeds and are enclosed by light husks. Egyptian wheat matures at 120 to 140 days.


Value To Quail
Several characteristics of Egyptian wheat make it ideally suited as a food and cover plant for quail. Unlike other grain sorghums, Egyptian wheat is not prone to damage by flocks of blackbirds. Its spindly seed heads prevent blackbirds and other relatively large birds from perching on the upper stems to eat the seeds.

Egyptian wheat mature s late, and its seeds last into late winter, when native foods of quail are scarce. Quail will begin using Egyptian wheat seeds as soon as they mature, but quail probably benefit most from these seeds during late fall and winter.

The tall growth structure of the plants provides protective cover where quail can feed while remaining safe from detection or successful attack by predators. Its growth form also provides good cover for young quail.

Deer damage to t he plant is usually not a problem. Although deer will eat Egyptian wheat seed heads, use by deer is not excessive, except in years of poor acorn production

Establishment
Plot Selection. Egyptian wheat grows best on fertile, well-drained sites receiving full or lightly filtered sunlight. It is suited to all regions of Alabama, but it grows poorly in deep, excessively drained, sandy soils.

Plots should be located in or near good quail cover. Good locations include fields, field edges, utility right-of-ways, and forest openings.

Plot Size. Well-managed plots of 1/10 to 1/4 acre are large enough to supplement native foods of quail. Long, relatively narrow plots are preferable to other shapes. Plots should be at least 15 feet, but not more than 25 feet, in width for efficient bird dog work and hunting.

Soil Preparation. Thoroughly disk the plots well before planting. Harrow plots no later than late April to avoid destroying quail nests.

Planting Dates. Plant Egyptian wheat after all danger of frost has past, but before June 1. The best dates for planting Egyptian wheat in Alabama are from April 15 to May 15.

Planting Methods. Egyptian wheat seed should be planted in rows spaced 3 feet apart. Broadcast planting is usually unsatisfactory. Plant 4 to 6 pounds of seed per acre. The best production generally occurs at lower rates (4 pounds per acre). The ideal spacing for the plants leaves about 3 to 4 inches between adjacent plants in the row.

Fertilizing. Fertilize plots according to soil-test recommendations. If the soil is not tested, apply about 400 pounds of 5-10-10 or its equivalent per acre.

Side-dressing is necessary for good seed production. Side-dress with 75 to 100 pounds of ammonium nitrate per acre when plants reach 15 to 25 inches in height. If weed control by cultivation is needed, side-dress during the last cultivation.


Maintenance
Although some seeds from the last growing season may sprout and produce seeds the following year, Egyptian wheat plots should be replanted each year. The same plots may be planted in successive years, but repeated plantings usually require cultivation for weed control

I had to broadcast it and hopefully didn't get it to thick. Both areas had not been tilled in years and the ground was really to wet but I stirred it up and planted anyway.

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/EgyptianWheatSeed.jpg

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/TillingforEW.jpg

I tilled in roughly 40#'s per acre of urea

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/Urea.jpg

[dbltree]

Then we sprayed on atrazine at roughly 2 quarts per acre

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/Jesssprayingatrazine.jpg

Besides the tiller I used only a backpack sprayer and a bag seeder

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/Sprayerandspreader.jpg

Curious if I can not only create a screen but also a funnel

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/May1209EWplanting.jpg

This area is already a "tree screen" in progress but the EW will help block road views until the shrubs mature.

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/TilledforEW.jpg


I have one more strip to do but I'm going to wait a few weeks and see if warmer soils have much effect on germination and growth as it does for milo.

[dbltree]

The Egyptian Wheat is coming up...here's pics from a couple different plots, the first i didn't have a cultipacker available and germination seems more spotty and uneven.

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/EgyptianWheatPlanting.jpg

New seedling I pulled up showing the seed

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/EWseedling.jpg

We used atrazine so pretty much the only thing coming up is EW

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/EWcomingup.jpg


You can see the "lines" from the packer wheels here

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/EgyptianWheat5-29-09.jpg

and the plants are much thicker...perhaps too thick

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/EWseedlings-1.jpg

I tilled in urea and with good residual weed control via the atrazine the Egyptian Wheat should make an awesome screen and possible even a funnel if I did things right...;)

[dbltree]

This is my EW on June 10th, gonna check on it again in a few days, we've had so much rain I haven't been able to get within a country mile of the place! :rolleyes::D


http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/6-10-09EW.jpg

[dbltree]

Some Egyptian Wheat updates from mid June thru early July.

Mid June...

This pic shows EW planted thinner which is generally better for tall robust growth.

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/EWsowedthinner.jpg

This side I purposefully sowed it thicker to compare growth and screening this fall.

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/EWsowedheaver.jpg

We had extreme amounts of water all spring and theis EW is on low ground so it's a bit yellow in these pics.

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/EWLateJune.jpg

I used plenty of urea but heavy rains can cause leaching and denitrification of nitrogen as is evidident on much of SE Iowa's corn ground this summer.

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/EWJune26.jpg

These pics are on higher ground in early July and this pic shows a little better spacing

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/EWatWalts7-3.jpg

These pics are at my place where it was slightly higher ground and growth was much better where the EW wasn't in such soggy soil

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/WaisthighEWinJuly.jpg

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/July3rdEgyptianWheat.jpg

I think growth will really pickup as warm summer weather does and the EW isn't in standing water! :)

[dbltree]

Late July and the egyptian wheat is putting on some growth!

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/Egyptianwheat7-24.jpg

We watched a fawn slip down through this stuff that also makes some great quail and pheasant cover.

This pic shows how the well the atrazine controlled weeds

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/EWwithatrazine.jpg

EW can handle some weed growth and a mix of broadleaves and and the wheat can make for some great game bird food and cover:way:

[letemgrow]

I may have to get some of that stuff!!! Looks great and must be in the corn family since it looks like corn and can handle atrazine.

[letemgrow]

how much does a bag run ya roughly??

[dbltree]

how much does a bag run ya roughly??

We had to order it from Cooper Seeds (http://www.cooperseeds.com/pages/quail/ssindividual.html) where it was $56 for 50#'s but cost all most as much in shipping! :eek: :D

You can order 10#'s for $15.50 though and let me tell ya...10#'s will go along long way!!! :grin:

If anybody knows of a closer source in our area I'll be happy to post it here as well. :)

[letemgrow]

I will ask the local MFA in Lineville, IA if they can get it.

[dbltree]

August 6th...egyptian wheat progress...first picture is setting in the truck to give an idea of the screen it is starting to provide.

http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz307/dbltree2000/Eygptian%20Wheat/EgyptianWheatScreen.jpg

It's getting up there! Lot's of rain this summer is keeping it growing!

http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz307/dbltree2000/Eygptian%20Wheat/8-06-09EgyptianWheat.jpg

This is standing in it holding the camera at eye level

http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz307/dbltree2000/Eygptian%20Wheat/EyeLevel.jpg

Planted along side a shrub planting the two can make a great protective screen and/or travel route

http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz307/dbltree2000/Eygptian%20Wheat/EWgrowth.jpg

Seeding to heavy is a mistake but easy to do! I seeded one side heavy to compare and it looks like this

http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz307/dbltree2000/Eygptian%20Wheat/Thickseeded.jpg

While the other at closer to 10#'s an acre is taller and more robust

http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz307/dbltree2000/Eygptian%20Wheat/ThinSeeded.jpg

Since the whole idea here is to get height for screening purposes we don't want to overseed and stunt growth.

This shows heavy seeding left and normal seeding right

http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz307/dbltree2000/Eygptian%20Wheat/Seedingratecomparison.jpg

Great stuff that is multi purpose for screening, travel corridors, safety around food plots, quail and pheasant cover and a late season food source...:way:

[dbltree]

The Egyptian Wheat just keeps growing!

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/EWScreen.jpg

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/EgyptianWheat8-21-09.jpg

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/EWandshrubs.jpg

I tried to get pics to show height compared to shrub plantings

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/EWnexttoshrubplanting.jpg

In this pic there is some 8' high Big Blustem growing right beside the shortest of the EW where I puposely planted it thicker.

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/EWnexttoBigBluestem.jpg

You can see the thick planting on the left is shorter then the normal seeded EW on the right

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/ThickleftNormalRight.jpg

The thick planting is really to dense for wildlife use, doesn't grow as tall and isn't going to produce the seed heads that the normally planted EW is

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/Thick.jpg

Even the side planted at 10#'s per acre is plenty thick!

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/Thin.jpg

Great stuff to plant in conjuction with a young tree planting to provide screening while the trees are still growing...:way:

[huntdoc]

Will this come back volunteer next year? My landowner wouldn't smile upon something that would keep showing up in his fields for years.....

[shrek1]

I use another option thats pretty similar in size and can get it from Welters, its Sorghum/sudan hybrid. It grows 10-12 ft tall. Price was less than 1/2 of that. I didnt get it planted till early July and its already 7-8ft tall. Like Pauls pictures show, don't get it to thick so that the stalks can get thicker and stand longer into the year. I like the bigger seed head that the EW gets though.

[dbltree]

I use another option thats pretty similar in size and can get it from Welters, its Sorghum/sudan hybrid. It grows 10-12 ft tall. Price was less than 1/2 of that. I didnt get it planted till early July and its already 7-8ft tall. Like Pauls pictures show, don't get it to thick so that the stalks can get thicker and stand longer into the year. I like the bigger seed head that the EW gets though.

Let's keep track and see which one stands up better as we go into winter? Maybe little or no difference but I am curious?;)

[dbltree]

Will this come back volunteer next year? My landowner wouldn't smile upon something that would keep showing up in his fields for years.....

I don't think this would come back any worse then any sorghum or even corn left standing but I'll keep you posted if it does...;)

Here's some updates on mine as of 9-1-09

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/SDC12669.jpg

Next to some Big Bluestem

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/SDC12668.jpg

Compared to Highbush Cranberrys!

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/SDC12667.jpg

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/SDC12665.jpg

Lot's of uses for this stuff inclusing screens and creating funnels by leaving an opening or trail in it that leads right by your blind or tree stand...:way:

[dbltree]

My gosh this stuff sure gets tall!

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/TallEW.jpg

It's impossible to see anything from the road now

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/EgyptianWheatscreen9-17.jpg

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/EWscreen9-17.jpg

and deer have yet to go through it but have a runway beat down along it

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/Runway.jpg

Wonder if I could "fence" em out of my food plots with this stuff? ;)

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/SDC12896.jpg

Perhaps not but I can see where one could create a lot of interesting habitat, funnels and screens with 10#'s of Egyptian Wheat seed...:way:

[dbltree]

Some egyptian wheat update pics from Oct 27th...

Some of the tops (seed heads) were starting to break down and tip over slightly from high winds but the stalks were still standing well

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/EW10-27.jpg

Still plenty of screening

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/SDC13453.jpg

and planted next to a row of shrubs creates a "tunnel of death"...;)

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/EWtunnel.jpg

Walking down that lane created between the EW and shrubs I noticed scrape after scrape so there is an advantage to planting it adjacent to shrubs or a tree planting

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/ScrapenexttoEW.jpg

I had intended to plant the Sweet Spot mix mentioned in the clover thread in that lane but the wet spring (entire year really) didn't allow for it. I hope to add that component this next year.

The screening and safety of the EW, the shrubs offering licking branches and a sweet succulant food source all leading straight to my...tree stand...:way:

[Nontypcl1]

Dbltree, So hows the EW holding up to the snow we have had this year? Does it still make a good screen?

Also what about that sorghum/sudan hybrid Shrek1? How's it doin after all the snow?

[dbltree]

Dbltree, So hows the EW holding up to the snow we have had this year? Does it still make a good screen?

Also what about that sorghum/sudan hybrid Shrek1? How's it doin after all the snow?

It's starting to break down and thin out a bit but still providing a fairly decent screen

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/12-22-09EW.jpg

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/LateDecEW.jpg

I suspect the sorghum is looking much the same but hopefully Shrek will sharesome pics. Corn can also provide a reliable screen but can also attract deer near a road or travel area where you really don't want them, so keep that in mind when planning your screens...;)

[shrek1]

The sorghum is standing similar to EW. I wish I had planted different seeding rates on some of the plots to test standing ability. In the places where I know it was seeded way to heavy,(due to letting an 8yr old run free with a seeder:way:) its virtually flat. Besides that, I will use some of it again next year and some EW.

[dbltree]

The sorghum is standing similar to EW. I wish I had planted different seeding rates on some of the plots to test standing ability. In the places where I know it was seeded way to heavy,(due to letting an 8yr old run free with a seeder:way:) its virtually flat. Besides that, I will use some of it again next year and some EW.

I hope to compare the two also but both need to be planted at 8-10#'s per acre so in a strip were talking a pretty small amount...not as easy as it looks...;)

[shrek1]

!0-4 on that! It takes a really long strip at 10 ft wide to make an acre. About 8/10ths of a mile Very easy to overseed.

[waylonb19]

Anyone have any Egyp Wheat they would be willing to sale. I don't need much. I have about a 50 yard strip I would like to put some in to act as a security fence on one of my food plots. Let me know if any of you are willing to sale me a little? I only would need like a lb or 2 lbs I am guessing. Or do any of you know where you can buy it by the lb?

[waylonb19]

Well I did some searching and found this place that sells it by the 1/4lb. Anyone ever bought seed through them before? I am going to give them a try.

http://rareseeds.com/cart/products/Shallu_Egyptian_Wheat-783-86.html

[dbltree]

Well I did some searching and found this place that sells it by the 1/4lb. Anyone ever bought seed through them before? I am going to give them a try.

http://rareseeds.com/cart/products/Shallu_Egyptian_Wheat-783-86.html

I haven't but let us know how it works out...:way:

[dbltree]

Late July in 09 my Egyptian Wheat looked like this...

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/Egyptianwheat7-24.jpg

but 2010 was one of the wettest on record (roughly 24" above normal so far) so planting was delayed til nearly the 1st of July. It's got a lot of catching up to do!

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/CIMG1533.jpg

Hopefully we'll still end up with some decent screening around food plots and along roadsides.

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/CIMG1532.jpg

I used year old seed so mixed a bit of Pheasants Forevers tall sorghum mix with it just in case. I put down about 80#'s of nitrogen per acre so hopefully it will catch up! :way:

[dbltree]

A few pics of our Egyptian Wheat and forage sorghum (Pheasants Forever mix) screens

Designed to screen fields/plots to keep deer feeling safe and secure

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/EW4.jpg

and allow approach to a Lickcreek Blind in this case

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/EW2.jpg

You can see the various food sources as well as apple orchard that keep deer feeding here year around so having an approach in this case is crucial

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/EW3.jpg

The EW not only allows one to approach but also to slip out after dark without disturbing feeding deer.

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/EW1.jpg

Wet weather kep us from planting until the fist of July but 60#'s actual nitrogen and plenty of wet warm weather haa encouraged rapid growth.

Plan EW in late spring at 8-10#'s per acre with 50-80# of nitrogen, seed roughly an inch deep (lightly till in seed or drill it in) and cultipack...then stand back and watch it grow! :way:

[letemgrow]

Dang Paul, that is quite the setup you have there? These "Lickcreek" blinds, are they something you manufacture?

[dbltree]

"Lickcreek" blinds

They are made by my neighbor and friend Jim Mathias who owns Lickcreek Enterprises in Birmingham IA...check the ad on the side of the page for more info.

Awesome blinds...gonna have one of my own by late muzzy season! :way:

[Sligh1]

I bought 2 of them from Jim with LickCreek Ent. as well. There's a thread on here and an ad. They are amazing blinds and far cheaper than anything I can find that even comes close to comparing. He can do custom blinds, etc. Great product and great price.

[dbltree]

Some updated EW pics taken the first of September only 65 days after being planted...

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/IMG_0214.jpg

nice entrance/exit to the Lick Creek blinds!:way:

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/IMG_0211.jpg

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/IMG_0254.jpg

Wouldn't even know there was a blind there!

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/IMG_0253.jpg

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/IMG_0247.jpg

We'll have to cut a shooting hole thru it and a walk path perhaps but with a little care one can potentially enter and exit these blinds without spooking deer in the field!

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/IMG_0243.jpg

By the way...those blinds are meant to be scent proof...perhpas not a 100% but probably as close as one can get....:way:

[letemgrow]

By the way...those blinds are meant to be scent proof...perhpas not a 100% but probably as close as one can get....:way:

Just say mostly and not eliminate and you should not have any lawsuits on your hands. :D

[dbltree]

Just say mostly and not eliminate and you should not have any lawsuits on your hands. :D

Let's just say they are vey helpful in not getting winded...:D

[dbltree]

My friend Walt is right around 6' give or take an inch I reckon so this pic gives one an idea how tall Egyptian Wheat can get!

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/IMG_0001.jpg

That strip is 5' wide and it's impossible to see through it nor over it making it a great screen to keep deer feeling safe in the feeding area and allow an approach to blinds or stands. This EW wasn't planted until very late June and still reached amazing heights!

Eventually red cedars will negate the need for Egyptian Wheat by providing a permanent screen along the field edge but in the meantime Egyptian Wheat is the ticket! :way:

[dbltree]

I manged to "mud bog" my EW in about the first week in July and it still darn near drowned as the monsoonal rains continued in Iowa. Even with plenty of urea it didn't thrive like in previous years.

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/EWscreen-1.jpg

Still it got plenty high enough to provide screening...frost nipped it the first week of October

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/IMG_0074.jpg

Combined with shrub plantings the EW makes a great funnel!

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/Funnel2.jpg

You would never know there is a road on the other side of the EW

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/Funnel5.jpg

Keeps poaching problems to a minimum while shrub plantings are growing and it allows me to create great travel corridors! :way:

[dbltree]

November 20th, 2010

Screens are important to allow whitetails to feel safe and secure feeding in daylight hours and to protect from poachers at night. It is also important then that screens last well into winter making conifers the best bet for long term, year around screening. While trees are growing or where tree plantings are not possible, Egyptian Wheat is a great alternative.

Despite repeated hard freezes and high winds our Egyptian Wheat is still standing well in late November! This screen leading to a ground blind....

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/IMG_0002.jpg

Here it screens feeding deer and helps keep bucks away from tubed trees

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/IMG_0001-1.jpg

With 50-100#'s of actual nitrogen per acre EW can reach 12-14 in height!

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/IMG_0009.jpg

It encourages deer to feed in daylight hours and keeps them protected from midnight poachers

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/IMG_0015.jpg

Here I combined shrubs, EW and Sweet Spot high sugar ryegrass/clover mix to funnel deer towards my stand

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/Funnel.jpg

They are keeping the Sweet Spot mowed to the ground

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/SweetSpot11-11.jpg

and there is a line of scrapes along the shrubs as bucks travel the funnel...

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/Scrape2.jpg

They follow the funnel and come to me like a puppy on a string

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/2010%20Season/11-17-2010Buck.jpg

Egyptian Wheat is a great tool to assist with screening and funneling whitetails, easy and inexpensive to plant and grow, usually a 5-8' wide strip will do the trick. Plant 8#'s per acre with 100-150#'s of urea and 2 1/2 quarts of atrazine or simazine for herbicide and your in business! :way:

[dbltree]

My friend Walt made good use of the Egyptian Wheat screens we planted leading up to his blinds...note the path he tramped down through the center of it so he can slip in and out undetected.

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/WaltnEWscreen.jpg

Each of his Lick Creek built blinds has a screen leading to it and today after some discussion we decided that next year it would be a simple matter to spray a narrow band of roundup down the center to have a ready made path early on. Just easier then cutting or knocking it down later

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/IMG_0087.jpg

Walt took pics thru the blind windows so they are a little foggy but still very cool to see all the deer safely screened as they feed on the winter rye

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/EWScreen-2.jpg

The uses for EW are limited only by ones imagination but it sure is a life saver to get in and out of blinds or stands undetected. I use NWSG in the same manner but the EW grows so much taller and is almost impossible to beat as a screen.

Easy to plant and grow...give it a shot next year if you need an annual screen around your food source and blinds... :way:

[dbltree]

This is EW on February 22nd just to give you an idea how well it stands up...

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/EW.jpg

This is from November

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/IMG_0015.jpg

and late summer

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/IMG_0001.jpg

Hard to find a better annual screen then Egyptian Wheat although some sorghum's and corn can work well also... :way:

[dbltree]

Egyptian Wheat Screens

Generally we talk in terms of "amounts per acre" when it comes to seed, fertilizer and herbicides yet in the case if Egyptian Wheat most of us will rarely plant an "acre"...so how do we convert those amounts to a narrow strip?

First off what is required to plant an "acre" of EW? Like anything there are many variables that can match almost any budget so what I share is by no means cut in stone but merely inputs that can insure a successful EW screen.

1 acre input

6#'s of seed
200#'s of 46-0-0 urea
200-400#'s of 6-28-28 (optional depending on soil)
2-4 quarts of atrazine or simazine per acre
Let's say we want to plant a 6' wide EW screen along the end of an 80 (1320' wide) 1320 x 6 = 7920 sq. ft. divided by 43,560 (sq feet in 1 acre) = roughly 18%

6 x 18%= 1.08 #'s of seed
200 x 18% = 36#'s of urea
4 x 18% = roughly a pint an a 1/2 of herbicide

That's just an example but you get the idea and the actual cost of planting an annual screen is small compared to the benefits of screening your deer from poachers and giving them a safe secure place to feed and travel... :way:

[ILBowHunter]

Anybody have a secret source for Egyptian Wheat seed? I procrastinated and Coopers is out for the year...not having luck with any alternative sources.

[waylonb19]

How deep should this be planted?

[dbltree]

How deep should this be planted?

Roughly an inch but I have just cultipacked it to cover and it did fine...;)

[dbltree]

Everyone is desperately looking for Egyptian Wheat seed but alas...it appears to be sold out from most sources. Forage sorghum is a great alternative and is most likely available at your local co-op.

Welter Seed carries Red Top forage sorghum that grows 7-9' feet tall

Red Top Plus Forage Sorghum Hybrid (http://www.welterseed.com/ProductDetails.aspx?id=444)

and Pheasants Forever carries Blizzard Buster sorghum mix that has some sorghum's about the height of Red Top

PF Sorghum Seed Mixes (http://www.pheasantsforever.org/page/1/foodplotseed.jsp)

The following suppliers handle EW seed but check for availability and expect prices to be on the pricey side!

Hancock Seed (http://www.hancockseed.com/seed-varieties-241/forage-crop-seed-52/oats-wheat-grain-rye-104/egyptian-wheat-seed-50-lb-bag-54.html)

ABSeed (http://www.abseed.com/wgs_s.php)

Turner Seed (http://www.turnerseed.com/site/SpringWildLifeSeed.asp)

Kesters Wild Game Food (http://www.kestersnursery.com/annual_seeds1_Pricelist.htm)

Remember to order your EW seed supplies early next year to avoid being disappointed.... ;)

[dbltree]

June 9th, 2011

I finally was able to get some Egyptian Wheat screens planted although much f the ground was still a little wetter then I like to sow into. Some areas were new and the weather prevented spraying gly ahead of time so I just mowed and tilled...

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/CIMG2992.jpg

Note the red cedars planted for a more permanent screen...once they get large enough the EW will no longer be needed.

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/CIMG2993.jpg

You would think the high ground would be dry after 3-4 days of upper 90's but the sod holds moisture like a sponge! I used roughly 200#'s of urea per acre which looks a like this...

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/CIMG2994.jpg

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/CIMG2995.jpg

It's not an exact science spreading urea with a bag seeder but I have done enough with both a hand seeder and an accurate mechanical spreader to know what it looks like on the soil.

I let it dry as long as possible before planting then spread roughly 6#'s per acre of seed

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/IMG_5041.jpg

and covered by simply running a cultipacker over the seed bed and sprayed with atrazine after planting.

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/IMG_5042.jpg

We have had another 1 1/2 of rain since planting yesterday and more on the way so if it doesn't drown...it should be up and growing in no time! :way:

[bloodhoundhandler]

I just spent 5 minutes reading this post and looking at the pics awesome I will be planting some next year maybe even in my yard for some landscaping neat looking stuff

[dbltree]

June 17th, 2011

The Egyptian Wheat is up! I thought I said not to plant that stuff to think?! Yikes! :eek:

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/IMG_5223.jpg

I didn't till any of it in but just ran the cultipacker over it instead and it worked perfectly

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/IMG_5222.jpg

One small area I just broadcast it on top because there was no room to turn around dragging a packer but thanks to heavy rains it's coming up just fine!

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/IMG_5230.jpg

We'll keep and eye on growth this summer and see how it does... :way:

[ram170]

would like to know what post emerg. herbisides would work on eygp. wheat.

[Sligh1]

Interesting what folks will recommend?!?! Not sure. If it were me, I'd probably hit it hard with Atrazine and possibly mix in some 2,4-d. If it were really bad fox-tail, I'd mix atrazine with crop oil. I might be wrong though but if I had to bust out tomorrow and hit it- that's what I'd use.

[dbltree]

would like to know what post emerg. herbicides would work on eygp. wheat.

As Skip mentions, 2-4D is an easy way to kill emerged broadleaf weeds in EW, just allow the EW to grow to 3-4 leaf stage before spraying.

Atrazine and crop oil will work as would simazine...if you can set back the weeds for a bit, the EW will soon shade out and smother most weeds from there on out...;)

[dbltree]

August 2nd, 2011

This is Egyptian Wheat plant the first week of June and I literally planted it in the mud to get it in! Since then we ended up building a new fence right down the middle of it with lot's of "trampling" going on yet it still is nearly over the top of the fence!

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/EgyptianWheat8-2-11.jpg

Much of our early EW plantings drowned out so i replanted those areas and this EW was planted July 4th. We have not had rain since June 28th so considering that....it's not half bad

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/EW7-31.jpg

Each day it withers in the 100 degree heat but continues to grow despite the lack of rain

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/EW17-31-11.jpg

Tough year so far with excessive rains in May and June and excessive heat with no rain in July and August....when the going gets tough....we find out what crops are tough enough to survive!

[LarryM]

My first post! I grew up near Ossian, IA (Winneshiek County) and am an Iowa State grad. Live in the Twin Cities, MN now but have family all over NE Iowa still.
This web site is a treasure trove!

EW - looks like impressive stuff. Will have to give that a try next year. My property is in northern WI and we're practically drowning up there. Planted oats almost in the mud yesterday morning and then got another 1.25" last night.

[dbltree]

My first post! I grew up near Ossian, IA (Winneshiek County) and am an Iowa State grad. Live in the Twin Cities, MN now but have family all over NE Iowa still.
This web site is a treasure trove!

EW - looks like impressive stuff. Will have to give that a try next year. My property is in northern WI and we're practically drowning up there. Planted oats almost in the mud yesterday morning and then got another 1.25" last night.

Welcome to IW and send us some of that rain!:way:

[dbltree]

August 14th, 2011

Egyptian Wheat growth progress... some of it planted in mid June drowned out and had to be re-planted in early July so it's interesting to see just how late one can plant it and still end up with a viable screen.

Planted mid June but survived the relentless rains and is well over my head now

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/IMG_5712.jpg

Screening a feeding area

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/IMG_5717.jpg

Planted mid June and screening a feeding area from the road

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/IMG_5737.jpg

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/IMG_5738.jpg

Mid June planting and used to "steer" deer closer to a stand

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/IMG_5732.jpg

It suffered severely wet soils and then severe drought so growth varies across the field

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/IMG_5731.jpg

Planted mid June...drowned out, had a fence built thru it (trampled), no rain for 46 days...

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/IMG_5818.jpg

Planted July 1st...has had 1" of rain since planting

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/IMG_5707.jpg

Planted with a Brillion planted so seeding was pretty accurate at 6#'s per acre

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/IMG_5706.jpg

Re-planted July 1st.....400" of rain since planting

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/IMG_5700.jpg

Planted July 5th also less then a 1/2" of rain since planting (last real rain was June 28th)

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/IMG_5791.jpg

Egyptian Wheat obviously grows very well under very dry and hot conditions because during July we set records for the longest periods above 90 degrees with most days in the 100 degree range with no appreciable rain for the entire month!

All EW plantings were sprayed with at least 2 1/2 quarts of atrazine per acre and 200#'s of urea per acre, sown at 6#'s per acre. We still have 6-8 weeks of growing time here in SE Iowa so barring something unforeseen all of the EW should provide beautiful and effective screening. Some people have had theirs knocked flat by 80-100 mph straight line winds so disappointment is always a possibility...so far we are very happy with EW growth despite very difficult growing conditions. :way:

[dbltree]

September 14th, 2011

How late can you plant Egyptian Wheat?? These are pics of EW planted in early July here in SE Iowa...those are 4' tall tubes for comparison...

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/IMG_6009.jpg

Both these areas drowned out in June so EW does not like wet feet at planting time but in fact thrives during the dry part of the summer so despite not a drop of rain for 2 months after planting, the EW has done amazingly well even enduring temps to 106!

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/IMG_6065.jpg

Still 2-4 weeks of growing time here although patchy frost is in the forecast for tonight so I expect the EW to continue to grow for several more weeks. It has however already fully screened the feeding areas.... :way:

[bowhuntr311]

Dont most of the switchgrass/EW/Millot type plants prefer a dry hot condition? I thought so, maybe I just dreamed that up?

How do you expect this to hold up with snowload and wind?

[dbltree]

Dont most of the switchgrass/EW/Millot type plants prefer a dry hot condition? I thought so, maybe I just dreamed that up?

How do you expect this to hold up with snowload and wind?

They are warm season plants that do better in hot dry conditions so your not dreaming...:D

[waltrogers]

Dont most of the switchgrass/EW/Millot type plants prefer a dry hot condition? I thought so, maybe I just dreamed that up?

How do you expect this to hold up with snowload and wind?


Our EW held up extremely well after heavy snows in Iowa last year. I think it's unlikely that EW would blow down easily once the stalks die in the fall/winter. Last year was our first experience with EW and we were very pleased. We planted again this year and have a good stand.

Good luck.

[dbltree]

We planted nearly a mile of road frontage to EW in early July this year and it did outstanding even planted so late!

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/IMG_6230.jpg

It has out grown the corn that it is screening

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/IMG_6229.jpg

We killed the sod with glyphosate, tilled it under when the flooding rains ceased, tilled in some urea, planted 6#'s per acre, sprayed 2.5#'s of atrazine and the rest is history

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/IMG_6228.jpg

Long term our plan is to plant red cedars for a permanent screen but the EW will help lower poaching problems in the interim and give deer beyond a safe secure feeding area.

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/IMG_6227.jpg

probably the least expensive, yet most effective annual screen one can plant :way:

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/IMG_6231.jpg

[risto2351]

Paul,
Is EW very invasive?
I talked to a buddy about EW and he was afraid of it becoming a
problem in other areas.

[dbltree]

Paul,
Is EW very invasive?
I talked to a buddy about EW and he was afraid of it becoming a
problem in other areas.

No...it's absolutely not invasive Tony but people often think it is shattercane which of course is an invasive weed. EW is just like growing sorghum or corn just an annual that doesn't grow back or spread.

Shattercane (http://www.caf.wvu.edu/~forage/johnsongrass/johnsongrass.htm)

[dbltree]

October 27th, 2010

The spot lighters went by the other night...perfectly legal in Iowa but I'd rather not have them be tempted...and nothing on my property is any concern of theirs...thankful for Egyptian Wheat screens this time of year...

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/IMG_6392.jpg

[dbltree]

November 26th, 2011

There are a myriad of reasons to screen our property and feeding areas but one of the most important is to discourage poachers from stealing the whitetails we are passionately managing our habitat for. This little buck was shot with a high power rifle in a wide open corn stubble field in between houses not even a 100 yards in either direction.

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/IMG_6782.jpg

If poachers are brazen enough to kill a small buck (I suspect they thought it was larger), do you not suppose they would be happy to take any risk to kill a large mature animal? In our area people addicted to drugs (primarily meth) are desperate and they know they can easily and profitably market poached racks to feed their habit. In this case I called our CO who confirmed it was shot with a rifle (during our archery only season I might add).

We can not protect the deer on the neighbors crop fields but we can screen ours and thereby encourage mature deer to stay within the safer confines of our property.

This landowner has wisely planted red cedars along side the Egyptian Wheat so that eventually he'll have a permanent screen protecting his feeding are from the road.

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/2011-11-21_09-31-42_439.jpg

Conifers and shrubs take time to reach a height capable of screening so EW and do the job until it is no longer needed

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/2011-11-21_09-32-08_991.jpg

EW also makes a great funnel and deer will follow it...right to a stand!

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/CDY_0018.jpg

An opening near a stand or blind will be readily used and even mature bucks feel comfortable traveling in daylight hours when screened from roads and outside activity. This buck walked thru and opening 20 yards from a stand...

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/9ptRustys.jpg

Bucks are more likely to stage in small openings or check feeding areas that are completely hidden and while this area is very close to a road, this buck is unconcerned and the landowner does not have to worry about this deer being poached on his property.

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Egyptian%20Wheat/Trailerbuck.jpg

Egyptian Wheat is easy to grow but requires plenty of nitrogen (100-200#'s of urea per acre), be sure not to over seed and use only 5-6#'s per acre (open the gate on your bag seeder just enough to barely let seeds fall thru) and use 2 1/2 quarts of simazine or atrazine per acre for weed control.

Use EW for screening and funneling and protect the deer you have invested some much time and effort into....;)

[Nontypcl1]

How is the standability of EW compared with Sorghum Sudan hybrids? I planted numerous screens with 5' - 10' wide strips of 'Special Effort' sorghum sudan hybrid and it reached approx 7-8' tall and made quite the screen until we received 8" of really wet snow. It was completely flattened, only a couple areas have stood back up at all. This snow also flattened some 3-4' tall WGF milo as well but most of it is still standing.

[dbltree]

How is the standability of EW compared with Sorghum Sudan hybrids? I planted numerous screens with 5' - 10' wide strips of 'Special Effort' sorghum sudan hybrid and it reached approx 7-8' tall and made quite the screen until we received 8" of really wet snow. It was completely flattened, only a couple areas have stood back up at all. This snow also flattened some 3-4' tall WGF milo as well but most of it is still standing.

They all have limitations of course but usually our EW is still standing in the spring, despite heavy snows and high winds. It's always hard to compare unless each is side by side under identical conditions however so it's very possible EW may have succumbed to the heavy snow in your case too...hard to say? All I know is ours has never been "flattened"...;)

[crs740]

When do you order your EW and where do your order it from? I want to make sure I have some to plant for screens in some of those fields I spoke with you about the other day via email. Wouldn it be ok to use a drag to cover the seed after it is spread on disced ground?

[dbltree]

When do you order your EW and where do your order it from? I want to make sure I have some to plant for screens in some of those fields I spoke with you about the other day via email. Wouldn it be ok to use a drag to cover the seed after it is spread on disced ground?

Check the first page of this thread for links on places to order seed and you can lightly drag/disc in the seed and then if possible cultipack to firm soil.

[Central Iowa]

Received word last night Des Moines Forage and Turf will be carrying it this year. Good news for anyone that is in or travels through the Des Moines / Ankeny area. That means no shipping! :way:

http://www.dftseed.com/

[Daver]

Received word last night Des Moines Forage and Turf will be carrying it this year. Good news for anyone that is or travels through the Des Moines / Ankeny area that means no shipping! :way:

http://www.dftseed.com/

Just a word of experience from last year...it got tough to find Egyptian Wheat seed, so it is good to hear that there is another source this year. If you are planning to use some this year I wouldn't wait too late into the spring to get your order in.

[dbltree]

Thanks Travis! That's great news!

Dave...Iowa/Missouri hybrids also will be carrying EW seed in Keosauqua ;)

[SWBUCKHNTR]

Just wondering how well the ew is working at funneling deer? I have a 2 acre field the deer pour into but in a spot I can't get within bow range. I am wondering if I plant a strip to bring them back 40 yards or so before they disperse into the field. I would think it would be woth a shot.

[dbltree]

Just wondering how well the ew is working at funneling deer? I have a 2 acre field the deer pour into but in a spot I can't get within bow range. I am wondering if I plant a strip to bring them back 40 yards or so before they disperse into the field. I would think it would be woth a shot.

They will follow the EW to an opening in it and they can't resist checking out the food on the other side so you can certainly use it to lead or funnel deer. :way:

[Nontypcl1]

I haven't used EW but planted a sorghum/sudan hybrid (also grows 8' tall) around a 5 acre food plot this year. When it was still standing every deer would follow the field edge to where I left a 20' opening and enter there. It worked perfect for funneling deer. Next year I will be trying EW instead.

[SWBUCKHNTR]

Thanks guys

[crs740]

Do you spray the atrazine as soon as you plant or wait for it to grow a few inches? Is atrazine generally avaialble at co-ops?

[Sligh1]

Atrazine available at any co-op but u need a restricted use permit. Or any farmer can do it for u. I would spray right when u plant it. No question.

[dbltree]

You can also use simazine since it doesn't require a license ;)

[crs740]

Ok, looks like I will use the simazine. thanks!

[Terrific_tom]

Paul how hard is it to breakup the stalks the following year for replanting as I only have a ATV and ATV disc ?

[dbltree]

Paul how hard is it to breakup the stalks the following year for replanting as I only have a ATV and ATV disc ?

Do you have a mower Tom? If you could shred it first it's not to bad...I run the brush cutter over it and then till it under. The stalks are not as tough as corn but might be a little tough to disc under with a light disc alone...;)

[Terrific_tom]

Do you have a mower Tom? If you could shred it first it's not to bad...I run the brush cutter over it and then till it under. The stalks are not as tough as corn but might be a little tough to disc under with a light disc alone...;)

Yes I have a mower. Never thought of mowing to chop it up. Thanks Paul