Depends what you are shooting. I shoot traditional sidelock muzzleloaders and with a tight ball and patch combo, using mink oil as a lube, I can shoot 75 or more rounds using real black powder and never clean once. Puts one shot on top of the other all day long if I do my part. At the end of the day, no special cleaners needed, just plain water, hot or cold, a half a dozen or so patches and it's clean. Really simple.:way: