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turkeyriver

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Did anyone see the editorial in yesterday's CR Gazette? A few "facts" that were included in this are the following. "Nine out of ten archers cannot put four consecutive arrows in the 9-inch bull of a 35-yard target." "On average, 21 shots are made for every deer killed.""Bowhunters average a 50percent crippling rate. For every deer killed, another is wounded,left unretrieved to suffer for hours or weeks before they die." This editorial was about the urban deer hunt being proposed for CR.Any idea where these "facts" came from?
 
TR, I'd guess those statements directly came from PETA. I remember seeing something similiar on their website a while back. I don't get the Gazette but I'd appreicate it if someone can email me the article.

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Is the Gazette known to be like this?? The Gazette is going to be printing our magazines (Deals on Wheels) starting in November and I have to make a trip down there to meet with them... I'll have to make sure they know I'm a die-hard hunter
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What a bunch of [censored], this kind of stuff really pisses me off. Anyone know who the idiot is that wrote the article, maybe we could send the gazette some real facts.
 
My suggestion would be to get ahold of the gazette and inform them the real facts. Talk about giving bowhunters a black eye!! Wow what a kick in the shorts!!!
 
Hey guys, this editorial was written by Laurie Crawford Stone, a CR attorney who was on the 1998 and 2005 deer task forces. I don't know how to access the Gazette on the internet and it's way too long to copy. It is worth reading the whole thing if someone knows how to get it on here.
 
As a bowfishing PR guy nationally, I would be MORE than happy to email her a freindly letter informing her of her lack of knowledge of bow hunting. I deal with this kind of issue all the time with bowfishing. If someone can get me an email address, AND the complete article sent to [email protected] I will respond profesionally and informative.

Thank you,
Pat
 
Here's the complete editorial

I have the right person to respond, with the facts.
Several people should respond to this one.

CL: GUEST COLUMN

BY: Laurie Crawford Stone

TX: It is no surprise most of the Cedar Rapids Urban Deer Task Force wants to kill deer. This

result has been carefully orchestrated via selection of task force members, a process designed

to exclude other management options, and agendas focused on killing.



Those hoping killing will put a stop to deer eating their plants are going to be sorely

disappointed. Rabbits eat plants, too. The only way to stop browse is protect plants with

repellents, netting and fencing.



Killing or crippling random deer does nothing to stop surviving deer from eating the same

flowers or crossing the same roads. Killing does not reduce populations in the long term.

Removing some deer means more food for remaining deer. More food means does have larger

litters and litters at a younger age. Populations, left alone, self regulate. Killing leads to

more killing as deer numbers increase following a fall kill. Killing is costly, causes safety

problems and pits neighbor against neighbor.



The invitation to serve on the 2005 task force stated the group would be ``bringing forward

and promoting the findings and recommendations generated from the '98-'99 report.''



The 1998 deer task force recommended non-lethal methods and monitoring Iowa City's

sharpshooting program. That task force had different members, a democratic process, thoroughly

researched and discussed all options.



The recommendations … never given a chance to work … included data collection, educational

and safety measures. The report recommended against bowhunting, saying: ``the 1997 bowhunt

killed a small number of deer and was controversial.''



No form of hunting is more inaccurate and vicious than bowhunting. Hunters cannot kill a

deer instantly with a bow. Even a well-hit deer bleeds to death.



Nine of 10 archers cannot put four consecutive arrows in the 9-inch bull of a 35-yard

target. On average, 21 shots are made for every deer killed. Factors working against the

archer are: arrow curved trajectory and deer reacting to the bow string.



Bowhunters average a 50 percent crippling rate. For every deer killed, another is wounded,

left unretrieved to suffer for hours or weeks before they die. Proficient archers are the

primary problem. They are more apt to hit and wound a deer than the inexperienced archer who

misses altogether.



Bowhunting pits neighbor against neighbor. If your neighbors allows bowhunters on their

land or you live near city property allowing hunters, an errant arrow may hit your child, cat,

dog or house. There is a good chance you or your children will see dead or dying deer in your

yard.



It is irresponsible to allow hunting in a high-density urban area. Hunting is likely to

increase deer/vehicle accidents in Cedar Rapids as frightened deer run onto roadways.



Hunting results in accidents. From 2001 to 2004 in Iowa, there were three fatal and 60

non-fatal hunting accidents.



This is an ill-conceived, knee-jerk reaction to deer/human conflict issues. If the issue is

browse and accidents, the 1998 task force made solid recommendation that should be

implemented.



If the issue is ``too many deer,'' we need to realize the subjectivity of that complaint

and look at facts. People are seeing more deer because developers are taking more deer

habitat, forcing deer to live in smaller areas. The 2005 Cedar Rapids deer count was virtually

the same as in 2000.



I am seeing fewer, thinner, smaller deer and a dramatic decrease in numbers of fawns this

year. Perhaps Cedar Rapids deer are self regulating. Wouldn't it be a shame to upset the

natural balance by killing?



That we would solve a subjective complaint with a controversial decision like bowhunting is

irresponsible at best. It makes one wonder who is benefiting and how?



If, as defenders of bowhunting claim, the essence of sport hunting is the wilderness

experience and the thrill of the chase, rather than the simple pleasure of killing animals,

urban deer population control does not apply.



I urge the City Council to review the entire 11-page 1998 task force report and implement

the recommendations. Let's keep bowhunting out of our city.



Laurie Crawford Stone of Cedar Rapids is an attorney and served on the 1998 and 2005 deer

task forces.



/tx

TY: EDITORIAL
 
Randy or anyone else - Some factual info that can be backed would be helpful in our replies. Do you have any good references that we can refer to when making our rebuttle letters?
 
WOW and I thought things were different out there in IOWA . I was wrong . If anyone needs a PRO HUNTING PRINTER look me up . I hate seeing us hunters give money the antis in any shape or form!!! what the heck is arrow curviture ??
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Well if you ever need an attorney she looks like just the right one who will get you prison for life. This lady makes me sick and needs to be put in her place. Id like to take 5 shots at her car from 35 yards and then she tell me the proficiency of the archery hunter. Now that I have vented a little bit I agree in response to this we do need hard facts that we can source. The only hard facts I know though are of the 10 archery hunters I know closely that let arrows go at deer hit everyone of them and they expired within a hundred yards and thats just the bucks. I hope we can find some hard evidence to show this attorney what hard facts really look like.
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arrow curvature?? NO KIDDING!!! We all know that arrows dont shoot flat, niether do bullets. And (correct me if I am wrong) but when a deer is killed by a bullet it also bleeds to death if shot through the heart or lungs.

I hunt in a controlled deer hunt at Lake Keomah each year. Last year was the first year of it. There were around 12 hunters signed up to hunt it with 50 available tags. Out of the twelve, six of us filled two tags, the rest each killing one deer each. That I know of, there were only three does lost and not recovered out of all of them. If I did my math correctly that was 24 deer (27 total) that will not be eating out of yards, or reproducing this year.

NOW, before we could hunt we had to take a proficiency test in our shooting abilities. We all shot at a 4" circle at 20 yards, if you couldnt put 5 out of 6 arrows in the circle, you couldnt hunt. At the same time they segregated areas open for hunting in the park away from houses and roads. The park manager put up signs warning the public that a controlled hunt was in season, and the possiblity of encountering a hunter if walking the park trails could happen.

Lets see... if the lake Keomah hunt was similar to the city hunt there would have been 21 arrows shot per deer taken. 21arrows X 27deer = 567 shots at deer. If my memory serves me correctly, I shot two times, once at each doe I took, my buddy hunting with me shot 3 times for the two deer he took, that leaves the remaining 10 hunters 562 shots between them all. I am going absolutly nowhere with this to show that her facts are not facts in any way. She is talking out her hind end and blatently trying to turn the public away from bowhunting period.

Her crack about the 35 yard shooting is crap also. Most shots taken on a deer in this state will be 20 yards or less anyway, especially at TOWN deer. You can nearly walk up to them. I have been in IA City and witnessed the deer and how human wary they are NOT. And yes most bowhunters can shoot 6 arrows in a 6 inch bullseye at 35 yards without any troubles, if they practice more than once a year!!

OK sorry this is so long, just turns the wrong screw with me when a bigmouth -un hunting edgeamakated- individual takes it upon themselves to try to give ALL of us a black eye, and for what reason? And an attorney at that. On the bright side noone ever believes an attorney anyway.
 
(The notes below are for people like her and not our good lawyer friends that visit this site.)

God decided to take the devil to court and settle their differences once and for all. When Satan heard this, he laughed and said, "And where do you think you're going to find a lawyer?"

and

Santa Claus, the tooth fairy, an honest lawyer and an old drunk are walking down the street together when they simultaneously spot a hundred dollar bill. Who gets it? The old drunk, of course, the other three are mythological creatures.
 
And in my opinion, any woman with two last names has issues to begin with!!
Thanks for the info all!!!!
 
GEE I HOPE HER SIX PUSSY CATS ARE NOT DECLAWED!!! AND THAT THEY ARE SPAYED OR NEUTERED SO THEY DONT BREED!! P.S. WILD CATS ARE A TOUGH SHOT AT 35 YARDS!!!
 
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