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Will I still be considered a Landowner?

darkhollow1

darkhollow1

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I know the landowner topic was addressed in a previous post but I thought this is a little bit different topic so I will start a new one. I recieved the papers today to apply for the landowners tag. I am a little disappointed with my findings. I am over the age of 18 and the son of a landowner of over 300+ acres. Currently I am involved it the development of our crp acres mowing, planting shrubs, and food plots and all the fun things that go along with it. I am also really getting into a serious TSI program on the timber of this farm. The way I am reading the regulations I will no longer be able to get the discounted landowner tags because I am not the direct owner and over the age of 18. Personally if this is the case I dont think that it is right exspecially for someone who puts so much into the improvements of the land. Maybe I am interpreting this all wrong? Let me know what you all think. THANKS!
 
A hunting partner of mine ran across the same senario last year. He manages the land that his inlaws own. We called the DNR officer from our county and he asked very limited questions. Basically, it boiled right down to... are you being paid for what you are doing on the farm? In his case, he was. So yes he got a tag out of the deal. Might be worth giving your local DNR a call.
 
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A hunting partner of mine ran across the same senario last year. He manages the land that his inlaws own. We called the DNR officer from our county and he asked very limited questions. Basically, it boiled right down to... are you being paid for what you are doing on the farm? In his case, he was. So yes he got a tag out of the deal. Might be worth giving your local DNR a call.

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I have the new LOT registration form in front of me and this is a direct quote:
"A person who works on a farm for a wage and is not a family member as defined above does not qualify as a tenant".
Family member is defined as:
"a resident of Iowa who is the spouse or child of the owner or tenant who resides with the owner or tenant. A "child" must be under 18 years old, or may be 18 or 19 if still enrolled in high school or a G.E.D program."

From reading the info sent to me, it appears that the only way you would qualify for a LO tag is if you were a tenant. Tenant is defined as:
"a person who is a resident of Iowa and who rents and actively farms (their emphasis) agricultural land owned by another person. A member of the owners family may be a tenant if rent is paid to the owner".
I would imagine that for you to be considered a tenant that you would have to be listed as such on that farm with the local ASCS office. Doesnt look like you can be a "tenant" of CRP ground.
 
Don't want to hi-jack the thread but did want to mention that as I understand it, the requirements for obtaining a LO tag(s) have not changed, the only thing that has changed is that you now have to prove that you meet the requirements. If you met the previous legal requirements you should still qualify right?
 
I do know that there won't be as many Land Owner Tags issued this year as in years past!
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It says in the regs that it has to be ag land or making money off it. My father in law has 285 acres and it's all river bottom timber with no income off it. Does that mean he can't get a landowner tag?
What about someone who has there entire farm in CRP they are getting paid on it but it's not agriculture land because it's not producing crop, which seams to be the main reason for the landowner tag is to protect the famrers money maker.
What are you protecting any different than my father in law if you have an entire farm in CRP?
 
Do you live with your folks? Are you in school? Are you a paying tenant? If not, it looks like you are not eligible for a landowner tag.
 
My dad rented out some land to me this year for a SAE project for ffa...Do you think I will still be able to get a tag? Its a bean field this year... I just was wondering
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I'm most likely the cheapest SOB to roam the state and I am always looking at angles to lower my financial burden, but sometimes a person just needs to cough up the money for a tag when following the letter of the law.
 
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must be ag land or in federal conservation program,(i.e.)crp or forestry.

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This is one point that has been missed in the previous thread. If it's in CRP...your all set (assuming you are the landowner and the contract is in your name) If you have a "Tree farm" and is such on your tax return then it qualifies also, otherwise just because you have 2 or more acres of woods doesn't mean you are "actively engaged in the act of farming"

I have never really paid attention to the "child" part but I know that almost everyone that farms around my area, their adult "kids" get LO tags...maybe the registration will correct some of that
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Dbl.Tree,

What are you referring to as a tree farm? I assume if the timber is in forest reserve that will suffice.

BTW- Brassicas survived quite nicely. Will post pictures when I figure out how to.

Risto
 
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Dbl.Tree,

What are you referring to as a tree farm? I assume if the timber is in forest reserve that will suffice.

BTW- Brassicas survived quite nicely. Will post pictures when I figure out how to.

Risto

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IMO having ground in the Forest Reserve alone would not meet the letter of the law...unless...it's managed as noted below. Thats where record keeping and tax statements might be important to show that it is indeed be managed for timber or and orchard or whatever. (spending money on TSI and noting expenses on your tax return for instance)

Just to be safe, I would ask your local CO, because if he doesn't agree...you could end up paying thousands in fines and loss of hunting rights...all to save $25 bucks...


“Farm unit” means all parcels of land
that are in tracts of 2 or more contiguous acres
that are operated as a unit for agricultural purposes and are under the lawful control of the
landowner or tenant. Parcels of land in a farm
unit need not be contiguous, but all will be
considered part of a single farm unit regardless
of how those parcels are subdivided for
agricultural or business purposes.
An owner cannot receive a Landowner-Tenant License on one parcel and a family member receive a Landowner-Tenant License on another, even if
the parcels are separate business operations.

“Owner” and “Tenant” definitions
“Family member” means a resident of Iowa
who is the spouse or child of the owner or tenant and
who resides with the owner or tenant. The child must
be less than 18 years old, or may be 18 or 19 if still in
high school or participating in a general equivalency
degree program.
“Owner” means an owner of a farm unit who is
a resident of Iowa and who is one of the following:

A. Is the sole operator of the farm unit.

B. Makes all farm operating decisions but
contracts for custom farming or hires labor for all or
part of the work on the farm unit.

C. Participates annually in farm operation
decisions or cropping practices on specific fields of
the farm unit that are rented to a tenant.

D. Raises specialty crops on the farm unit
including, but not limited to, orchards, nurseries or
trees that do not always produce annual income but
require annual operating decisions about maintenance
or improvement.

E. Has all or part of the farm unit enrolled in a
long-term agricultural land retirement program of the
federal government. (CRP)

F. Rents the entire farm to an adult child who
operates the farm.

G. An owner DOES NOT mean a person who
owns a farm unit and who employs a farm manager
or third party to operate the farm unit, or a person
who owns a farm unit and who rents the entire farm.
 
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I'm most likely the cheapest SOB to roam the state and I am always looking at angles to lower my financial burden, but sometimes a person just needs to cough up the money for a tag when following the letter of the law.


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I dont think the 25 bucks is the issue with most, I think its more an issue of getting another buck tag.
 
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I do know that there won't be as many Land Owner Tags issued this year as in years past!
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90,500 landowner tags last year: Des Moines Register

89,700 "farms": 2004

Yeah, before anybody gets bent way out of shape, I realize that there are many ways you can bend these numbers.
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Dang, the link looked good in the preview! Wonder what happened??? I had the same thing happen on another post.
 
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