moosehunter
PMA Member
LET US KNOW WHAT YA FIND OUT MUDDY. I CAN'T IMAGINE ANYTHING MUCH BETTER THAN THE DISC
moosehunter
PMA Member
Nothing against Knight but I think sometimes companies, in an effort to stay ahead of the competition introduce something new just to say they have something new. A 52 cal is fine and dandy but what's an extra .02 of an inch really gonna gain ya. The velocity and energy can't be all that much different than a .50. Can it?
Now you have to get bullet manufactures to make new bullets. Putting a .50 cal bullet in a sabot I guess will work but why all that for .02 again. I guess I just don't see any great advantage but maybe I'm missing something though.
I think that you are missing something.
I cant remember the exact numbers but these are verry close. Sighted in at 50 yards a .50 cal drops roughly 42" at 200 yards. The .52 cal when loaded to max drops about 14" at 200 yards. That in it self is an increadible advancement. The .52 was also credited wiht a kill on a austrailan water buffalo ( larger than the capes of africa ). When shot the buffalo dropped in its tracks and never moved, a task difficult with a high power.
I cant remember the exact numbers but these are verry close. Sighted in at 50 yards a .50 cal drops roughly 42" at 200 yards. The .52 cal when loaded to max drops about 14" at 200 yards. That in it self is an increadible advancement. The .52 was also credited wiht a kill on a austrailan water buffalo ( larger than the capes of africa ). When shot the buffalo dropped in its tracks and never moved, a task difficult with a high power.
moosehunter
PMA Member
you have my humble appoligies. i don't have all the spec's so was shootin' from the hip. what does the disc drop from 100 to 200 shooting a 250 gn sabot. mine is set for 100 and experience very little drop out to 200.
No appoliges needed. It's been a while since i talked to the guys at knight about this new rifle so i will have to check the numbers. From what they were saying it was roughly 1/4 the drop that they experinced with last years .50 cal disc extreme. This test may also have taken place at 250 yds and not 200 as previously stated.
This sounds like a lot of gun but I question whether we need a muzzle loader with 250 yard capabilities. I have a disc rifle and use it almost exclussively but I wonder where we start to draw a line. I think most of us would think it unwise to attempt 100 yard shots at deer with a bow even though there may be enough energy to do it. While a very select few might be able to do this it is, in my opinon, unresponsible to promote or market this capability. I think the same holds true with 250+ yard muzzle loader shots. I don't know anyone who could consistently make that long of a shot with bullet drop of 15" or more along with wind drift and all the variables in loading, but I know at least one who would try because the manufactor said it was ok. He would say it was my only chance so I took a poke rather than waiting for a better chance or another day.
Last thing, my disc rifle kicks like holy heck with 150 grains and a 300 grain bullet. What will this monster do with 375 or 390 grain bullets? I don't think I want to be on either end of that! My rifle with scope, sling, and loaded is almost 8 pounds and that is barley enought to absorb some recoil.:wall:
Last thing, my disc rifle kicks like holy heck with 150 grains and a 300 grain bullet. What will this monster do with 375 or 390 grain bullets? I don't think I want to be on either end of that! My rifle with scope, sling, and loaded is almost 8 pounds and that is barley enought to absorb some recoil.:wall:
moosehunter
PMA Member
you know what bowmaker.....i have a lot of confidence in my ability to accuratly shoot my disc, even at 200 yds. But at that range the conditions have to be right. and i only got that confidence from shooting it a lot. let me tell a little story. i have a friend that guides for elk in utah and colorado. every year he see's more and more big "ultra" rifles. and most of these guys shooting them won't spot and stalk. they spot and shoot against the advise of my friend.
he says it's not uncommon for some to take 400 yd shots.
the bad part of all this is much of the time they end up wounding the animal.
these guys read in the hunting mags about the new wildcat loads that are accurate out to 12 miles and they gotta be the 1st one on the block to have one. then they get it to the range to sight it in and it kicks so bad they can't shoot it straight anyway cause they got the jumps so bad.
all that brings me to the point you make. where do you draw the line. i guess i drew it with the disc. i was tired of spending a bunch time scouting deer only to have my old smoke pole not go off.
others would say that inlines are past the line. all i know for sure is my disc is more than enough gun to bring down even the biggest of any whitetail.
I couldnt agree more about people taking shots longer than they are capable of making. It realy bothers me that people are so cavaler about wounding an animal just because " I didnt think he would git any closer ". But I dont think you can blame the advancement of technology for someones poor judgement.
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djhunter
Guest
The only person that can tell you what to shoot, is you. Bigger, faster, longer and louder, does not make it better. Buy it if it sounds cool. Use it if you can shoot it straight. But don't hunt with it cause it sounds cool. Be safe, be smart and watch your background. Remember, if you flinch in practice, you'll jump when you hunt.
moosehunter
PMA Member
words to hunt by boys...........
.............i could'nt agree with you more......
Shredder
Life Member
I thing you all coverd the bad points. My Encore shoots just fine and I refuse to take a shot over 125 yds despite my comfort level. As somebody noted above, sighting in at the bench and hunting are two very different circumstances. and most people don't perform well under buck fever......just me two cents
Bowhunt
New Member
I shoot the disc rifle, and after hunting with a bow all year a 100 yard shot seems like a ways sometimes. I practice alot out to 200 yards, but have not shot a deer over 140. The gun is only as good as the hunters whose hands it's in.
Buck fever for me goes like this. I see the buck, I get focused and make the shot. Then it hits me when I think that I have a good one down! I can barely get out of my treestand when they fall within sight, I get really excited at that point!!!
Buck fever for me goes like this. I see the buck, I get focused and make the shot. Then it hits me when I think that I have a good one down! I can barely get out of my treestand when they fall within sight, I get really excited at that point!!!
iowabruce
Active Member
This morning I talked to a good friend of mine who is the general manager at Knight rifle. He explained that the new .52 muzzleloader has a different breech plug that actually ignites the powder charge from the front instead of the back. This creates some "good" things....One is less recoil compared to a standard 150 gr. loaded disc gun and the other is an extreme increase in velocity.
Guys I wish I could explain more but I didn't get to talk that long. He did say all of the testing on this rifle was extremely positive and that it is a pleasure to shoot.
Guys I wish I could explain more but I didn't get to talk that long. He did say all of the testing on this rifle was extremely positive and that it is a pleasure to shoot.
Shovelbuck
Active Member
I can't figure out where the 42 inches of drop is. Direct from Hornadys Great Plains loading data sheet....A 460 grain solid pt. in 50 cal. drops 25.78 inches at 200 yds from a 50 yd. sight in of 2.58 inches high. This is with only 90 grains pyrodex.