Cereal Grains and cover crops

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  1. Sligh1

    Sligh1 Administrator Staff Member

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    I also encourage including a red clover for plowdown with your cereal grains although it can be frost seeded later on.

    Plant 8-12#'s per acre... Alta-Swede Mammoth Red Clover seed source

    You can overseed most any of these combimation into standing corn, soybeans and brassicas if they are not to thick. Just before a rain would be best.

    Rye and Hairy vetch

    Winter rye

    Triticale

    Seed source

    Hairy Vetch

    Hairy Vetch I.D.

    Hairy Vetch info

    Hairy Vetch as a Cover Crop

    Austrian Winter Peas seed source


    Getting ready for rye, AWP, hairy vetch and red clover right after Labor Day



    Oats already seeded and fertilized. I'm going to plant some rye plots next to the oats, and both are along side alfalfa and brassicas...we'll see which they prefer and when.

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  3. Sligh1

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    Next year u would be best off killing right before seed is done forming. That’s for maximum tonnage of organic matter. U can do earlier with + & - to that. Worst case..... goes to seed & u rotate into brassicas.... nothing clethodim & crop oil can’t clean up.
     
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    ^^^^^^^ Leaving it until brassica time is a really good practice for a lot of reasons. My favorite one is that you will have nearly ZERO weeds!!!! The allelopathic properties of rye against most weeds is awesome!!!

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    Here’s a full example of dbltree rotation. Use imagination on other side of hill where I’ll drill in other 40-45% into the above cereal rye mix of dbltree’s. 10-20% clover/alfalfa left in the erodible area & rotate brassicas with rye mix yearly. Deer have one little pinch by my stand with rub & scrape in a fence gap but otherwise - plot kinda keeps em moving through or around so able to wait until nothing is close to stand for a clear exit at end of hunt. My goal (not always attainable) is to have a stand or blind by food where deer don’t just sit in front of me the whole time. I want them MOVING through & continuing on. Allows for less pressure, less spooking deer & clean entrance/exit in most of the cases. Never perfect but one goal with where & why I plant around a stand or blind.
     
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    Don't you run the risk of the rye using up nitrogen rather than fixing it if seed reaches maturity?

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    I don't believe so because the nutrients will be stored in the root system and then release once plant mature and dies...

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    Just checked a brassica plot and it didn’t germinate at all. My question is do you all think if I went in the 21st timeframe and broadcast winter rye it’d be worth it or am I going to be too late for anything?
     
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    absolutely not! plenty of time for rye. may not get as tall as youd like but its going to be alot better than nothing. I would also think about adding some oats as well. pack or drag if possible or just broadcast and hope for rain
     
  10. IowaBowHunter1983

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    Yeah not even close to being too late. Get er' done. Extended forecast looks unseasonably warm too. Goodluck!

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    So if I was going straight winter rye in a field would that be 100#/acre for seed rating?

    I’m trying to find treated urea so I don’t have to disc anything but, I’m having a hell of a time finding it in eastern Iowa.
     
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    yes 100#'s....also urea is not needed for rye...it literally grows on concrete
     
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    Perfect. That’s the best possible answer I could of got!!! You’ve been my personal food plot guru this week haha. Thanks for the help.
     
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    Looks like Welters has a new Pea Called Survivor Peas, I grabbed a few bags to try out this September ..Just passing on..
     
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