HF 210 Straight wall rifle

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Do you support HF 210 rifles using straight wall ammunition?

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  1. Fishbonker

    Fishbonker Well-Known Member

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    I had a reply above about semi autos that was to a question that I thought Sligh was asking about semi autos in use now, so the answer to that was no, now that I re read his post he was asking about the current bill.

    This bill will allow all straight wall cartridges that fall within the parameters of the current pistol rules to be used in a rife, any platform including lever action, semi auto, pump, single shot and maybe even full auto if you have the proper federal licenses/permits.

    The full committee met today at 1200 to vote on this bill. I don't know the results yet but it should be posted on the legislative site by tonight.
     
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  3. Sligh1

    Sligh1 Well-Known Member

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    SO.... SEMI-AUTO SHORT WALL RIFLES ARE ALLOWED. Interesting. So, this sounds "extreme" but a Beowulf .50 cal AR would be allowed the way I understand this now, just like the ones posted eariler on here. "Sounds extreme" but I'll bet you a nickel guns like that will be bought up like crazy (which is another reason the gun lobby wanted this) & out in the field, no question in my mind. You'll be seeing them at a group Gun deer drive near you, guarantee it.
     
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    gunrunr Life Member

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    There are already people shooting .50 Beuwolf semi-auto pistols in an AR platform - many are being built and sold and used in the late Muzzleloader season as a an alternative weapon(handgun)
    Not happy about that either
     
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    What's going on with this bill now any news?
     
  6. Fishbonker

    Fishbonker Well-Known Member

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    Passed full Committee today 12-0 with one absent. It will be placed on the debate calendar.
     
  7. Fishbonker

    Fishbonker Well-Known Member

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    HF 475 popped up on the Senate debate calendar tonight after the session finally adjourned. The Senate was in a marathon session tonight. They voted (after a 5 plus hour debate) on fireworks and adjourned for the night. Yes, I watched some of the live stream. The fireworks bill passed and was sent to the House.

    No idea what date HF 475 will actually be debated/voted on in the Senate.
     
  8. isu22andy

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    Every serious truck hunter in Iowa will run to get 40 Hipoint carbines and extended mags. Cant reiterate again how bad of an idea this is.
     
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    Legislators are telling me they are getting no opposition to this bill which is crazy because I know several people opposing it who are contacting quite a bit.
    At the very least - I think we need to push to make sure SEMI_AUTO is not allowable under these new rules - that would stop the custom AR builds and the ElCHeapo HiPoint guns that are sure to be sold by the truckload if this passes.
     
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    New Governor new politicians they may not be listening to the people of Iowa. They may all be seeing green.
     
  11. rutnstrut

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    What is wrong with semi-autos??? People use semi auto slug guns and pistols now during the same season. I could agree with magazine capacity restrictions but I honestly dont feel these new weapons will really be any worse than what we already have now. People already use semi autos, extended mags/tubes and already spray bullets and wound deer there really isnt any good way around that its just going to happen plain and simple.
    I could be wrong but I think most everyone is more worried about what this law could mean for future laws, meaning coming closer to an actual high power season and yes that worries me as well. But as it stands now just offering a handfull of primarily pistol caliber chambers to be used with a longer barrel, well I just dont see the problem.
    Longer barrels equal more power and more accuracy so if theyre used responsibly and within their means then theres absolutely nothing wrong with it. I know of MANY deer and hogs killed with .40, 357, 45LC and some of the other rounds out of a pistol and they were all clean kills, now add in more accuracy and more energy and the odds of a clean kill are even better

    Everyone seems to be worried about the what ifs, but thats something that is already happening now with what is already legal and thats not going to change. I would much rather see someone shooting an accurate carbine then out throwing pumpkin slugs out of a bird barrel going who knows where... Idk I understand the fear of this law making it more possible for even more weapons down the road but thats always an option whether this one goes thru or not and in its present form with it only being for shotgun seasons and youth/disabled and only a handfull of already approved pistol rounds then I just dont see what all the fuss is about
    I could be wrong but I honestly dont think many people would change what theyre currently gun hunting with now anyways, of course some will but I doubt youre gonna see a big switch to pistol caliber carbines for the average hunter
    Ill be the first to admit that if .450 bushmaster or .45 raptor were options then yes Id have an AR in one of those to use but only because I would have better trajectory and accuracy then my current slug gun... It still wouldnt give me 30-06 performance but it would definitely be more efficient than most any slug gun and whats wrong with wanting to be more efficient. It wouldnt be so I could be out spraying the timber with lead it would simply be for accuracy and trajectory and the option to use an optic I wouldnt care if it meant I could only have 3 rounds in it.
     
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    If it is all about effeciency, then there is no reason to object to the 30-06. Heck, using the 30-06 is more effecient than a bow so we might as well allow it during the bow season too.
     
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    All Im saying is that these calibers are already available options in pistol form so why not let people use those same calibers in a package better suited for clean kills...
    Theres nothing wrong with wanting to put the odds more in your favor or have a higher percentage chance of making a clean kill which is exactly why most all of us use compound bows with sights instead of recurves and wood shafts with a sharp rock on the end or an inline muzzy instead of a flintlock or percussion cap gun. If its going to be a legal means of take why not allow it in the most effective form... .30-06 isnt allowed in pistol form so thats apples to oranges.
    I get it, nobody likes change but unfortunately theres no way around it and I dont see people bitching about being able to use pistols so whats the problem with a longer more accurate platform. If youre such a purist then lose the cams and sights on your bow because those arent necessary either... I guess Im of the opinion that if you dont like it or agree with it fine then dont do it, but dont keep someone else from doing it just because you dont think its a good idea.
    Like I said in my previous post i understand the fear that this will lead to looser laws in the future but just for arguements sake if it doesnt then why should anyone care if I choose to load my .40 ammo in an 4" barreled pistol or a 16" barreled carbine???
    This law probably wont effect me either way because the few calibers/chambers that would interest me arent legal options so chances are it wont change what I carry to the woods. But that doesnt mean I think my neighbor shouldnt be able to use his antique 45/70 or lever action 45lc... Its not a new or separate season or an extra tag... Its just another option to use in an already existing season with a tag you can already get
     
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    I can see your point on this, I believe it's about it being a precursor to things to come. I think fighting against crossbows in archery season would be far worse than this bill. I know people talk about that but I wonder if it would cause this much uproar? It should. I don't know about it causing more convenience for truck hunters, I mean what's more convenient in the cab of a truck than a pistol I'm guessing? I am not for it at all, but mag restrictions would be far more important in my mind.
     
  15. Sligh1

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    Let me bring up some "out of the box" thoughts I'd like anyone to think about.....
    "Since "xyz" is already allowed, how is "this any worse?".... A valid question. Let me reverse course on the preface of the question. How would you all feel (mixed im sure) or how many would be surprised (me being happy in all honesty) if we didn't ADD another weapon and regulation but put a bill forward to reduce things.... what would folks in favor or indifference of this say if a bill came out like this, anything like this.... "limit shotgun slugs to single shots". "Pistols single shot". "No pistols". "Allow straight wall cartridges but change iowa to a ONE BUCK RULE"? "3 month timeframe to kill deer in iowa". Any change that's the opposite course of what we always see (liberal regs added) 1) do any of you think anything that reduces killing or possibly protects some more bucks (bucks is example) will ever be proposed? 2) does a regulation proposal like i mentioned ever make any sense and what would it do for iowa's "deer quality" overall???? I would argue it would vastly enhance it at ALL LEVELS. 3) what would a regulation change like that do for ACCESS????????
    Speaking of ACCESS.... is this a critical issue in iowa???? Could any of you agree ACCESS is a bigger issue than bringing more weapons to deer hunting?? Let's say we limited to 1 buck in iowa (whatever). Do you all think this would help or hurt access? Access, I think we all can agree, to "good land" is worse every single frigin year..... so why do we continue trying all these new liberal regulations while results continue to be apparent & degraded for most hunters? We have a very apparent & obvious trajectory for 15-20 years now where almost everyone has less access and less opportunity to hunt "good farms". Disagree? And we continue down the same foolish path each year as it's the new acceptable norm.

    So u add semi auto straight wall rifles.... likely to be used during gun season by guys doing group gun drives..... let me ask you this.... what has happened to the amount of farms and groups of guys having access to "good land" or any land period in the last 10 years? More access or less??? Are there more or less of these groups out there? Why is that???? I won't answer all of my own questions but folks - THINK. Politicians live in a "non-real world" and they live in the world of "un-intended consequences". As you guys with more guns and more killing ability continue to have less and less places to go - ask yourselves if you think bills like this are helping or hurting you????
     
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