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southern iowa late rifle (meatlocker) update???

Our deer herd is near optimal level so let's not ruin our resource.

In all the areas? You know this because you are a deer biologist?

If so what do we do about the areas that still have a ways to go?

Just asking because we still have some areas that need a little thinning out.

BTW - Not trying to bust your chops and I do not like how Branstad pulled that shi# last year but some areas / not all need more does shot.
 
My reason not to shoot shed bucks is simple.. its a lot better when there's bone on top. I dont go out and bust my ass all year long to shoot does, or fork horns. If thats what gets you going then go for it. but to me it be way to easy to go and tag out on a forky or 2 or 3 does in the first few days of the season. Its not "trophy" hunting its more of a personal challenge to try and get that 5 year old buck. Thats what makes the majority of the people on this site different from the guys out there blasting away at stuff not caring, or "meat" hunting. Its not that I or anyone i hunt with think we are better than anyone else, but we just prefer to take a more challenging approach by going after the "trophies". It just annoys me when "meat" hunters refer to other hunters as trophy hunters who dont care about anything besides antlers, when the reality is that its generally the trophy hunter who puts in a lot of sweat, time , and money into it.
 
My reason not to shoot shed bucks is simple.. its a lot better when there's bone on top. I dont go out and bust my ass all year long to shoot does, or fork horns. If thats what gets you going then go for it. but to me it be way to easy to go and tag out on a forky or 2 or 3 does in the first few days of the season. Its not "trophy" hunting its more of a personal challenge to try and get that 5 year old buck. Thats what makes the majority of the people on this site different from the guys out there blasting away at stuff not caring, or "meat" hunting. Its not that I or anyone i hunt with think we are better than anyone else, but we just prefer to take a more challenging approach by going after the "trophies". It just annoys me when "meat" hunters refer to other hunters as trophy hunters who dont care about anything besides antlers, when the reality is that its generally the trophy hunter who puts in a lot of sweat, time , and money into it.


Hotshott,

Was this directed toward my post??

Just curious.
 
Hotshott,

Was this directed toward my post??

Just curious.
I'll let him speak for himself BUT I don't think so.... I think it was an earlier question on "why does anyone care if you shoot a shed buck or a doe- you can't eat horns???".
And my 2 cents- those comments about drive me insane, along with a host of others who try and convince themselves that shooting young/stupid little bucks is great to do year after year after year- some folks who don't have ability or discipline to shoot an old deer. Often times jealous of folks that do as well. I rarely get cranky but I'll admit, I'm a bit cranky today and these types of issues and some forms of ignorance are driving me a bit nuts. Time to get back to the habitat threads :grin:

*And yes, since "you can't eat horns"... I'm trying to prove folks wrong, I have a set of 180" antlers I'm marinating all week and I'm going to try cooking them various ways, will get back with everybody. And since folks have just now pointed out that I "can't eat horns"- if trying to eat them is proved unsuccessful- I will be giving all my mounts, sheds & horns away and start displaying the Tenderloins & buckets of deer burger in my house.
 
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I'll let him speak for himself BUT I don't think so.... I think it was an earlier question on "why does anyone care if you shoot a shed buck or a doe- you can't eat horns???".
And my 2 cents- those comments about drive me insane, along with a host of others who try and convince themselves that shooting young/stupid little bucks is great to do year after year after year- some folks who don't have ability or discipline to shoot an old deer. Often times jealous of folks that do as well. I rarely get cranky but I'll admit, I'm a bit cranky today and these types of issues and some forms of ignorance are driving me a bit nuts. Time to get back to the habitat threads :grin:

*And yes, since "you can't eat horns"... I'm trying to prove folks wrong, I have a set of 180" antlers I'm marinating all week and I'm going to try cooking them various ways, will get back with everybody. And since folks have just now pointed out that I "can't eat horns"- if trying to eat them is proved unsuccessful- I will be giving all my mounts, sheds & horns away and start displaying the Tenderloins & buckets of deer burger in my house.

Thats the spirit make sure you dont try to use the same nail you had your mounts on when you hang those buckets of deer burger im sure the buckets way alot more.:way:
 
And my 2 cents- those comments about drive me insane, along with a host of others who try and convince themselves that shooting young/stupid little bucks is great to do year after year after year- some folks who don't have ability or discipline to shoot an old deer. Often times jealous of folks that do as well. I rarely get cranky but I'll admit, I'm a bit cranky today and these types of issues and some forms of ignorance are driving me a bit nuts. Time to get back to the habitat threads :grin:

I have to agree with you here.

As far as an old deer I have just as much fun shooting old does as old bucks. I am in an area that has to actually shoot more does and have been doing it for part of my management for the last 7 or eight years.
I am finally about there and am seeing the benefits as well.

Do I shoot every deer I see "no". Actually had two deer in shooting range the other night but could not tell for certain shed, button or doe so no shot.

I think each person needs to do their part as needed on their land and just enjoy it and that does not have to mean shooting anything brown.
 
My reason not to shoot shed bucks is simple.. its a lot better when there's bone on top. I dont go out and bust my ass all year long to shoot does, or fork horns. If thats what gets you going then go for it. but to me it be way to easy to go and tag out on a forky or 2 or 3 does in the first few days of the season. Its not "trophy" hunting its more of a personal challenge to try and get that 5 year old buck. Thats what makes the majority of the people on this site different from the guys out there blasting away at stuff not caring, or "meat" hunting. Its not that I or anyone i hunt with think we are better than anyone else, but we just prefer to take a more challenging approach by going after the "trophies". It just annoys me when "meat" hunters refer to other hunters as trophy hunters who dont care about anything besides antlers, when the reality is that its generally the trophy hunter who puts in a lot of sweat, time , and money into it.

And thats called "your opinion". Everyone has one, thanks for sharing.:way:
 
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And thats called "your opinion". Everyone has one, thanks for sharing.:way:

True Bowtech True, but if I told you that I protect coyotes (I see you shoot coyotes) because I think they are cute and I do not want coyote hunters on my farm, what would your honest response be?
 
True Bowtech True, but if I told you that I protect coyotes (I see you shoot coyotes) because I think they are cute and I do not want coyote hunters on my farm, what would your honest response be?

I would respect your opinion. Alot of people dont like coyote hunters on there property. But what if the coyotes kill a shed buck?
 
Alot of people dont like coyote hunters on there property.

I can't remember ever being turned down by a landowner in Iowa when asking to coyote hunt. I have only been turned down a couple times for fox in 30+ years of hunting.


The January antlerless season and November antlerless seasons need to be ended. Running deer in January when deer are usually stressed is stupid not to mention killing shed and button bucks. The deer are over harvested or in check in all the areas that these seasons could have helped. The areas with high deer densities are areas where no additional days afield will decrease the population because the deer are wintering in santuaries. Very few guys who own santuary properties will open the gates to rifle hunters in January. So the only way to get it through the DNR's head is to quit buying tags.
 
Sorry Bowtech, the devil is in the details; My neighbor owns 2k acres but only farms about 20-25% of that. However, the lease $ has averaged a little over 20k the last 3 years..... that is a little better than a couple of thousand $ per year.
 
I can't remember ever being turned down by a landowner in Iowa when asking to coyote hunt. I have only been turned down a couple times for fox in 30+ years of hunting.


The January antlerless season and November antlerless seasons need to be ended. Running deer in January when deer are usually stressed is stupid not to mention killing shed and button bucks. The deer are over harvested or in check in all the areas that these seasons could have helped. The areas with high deer densities are areas where no additional days afield will decrease the population because the deer are wintering in santuaries. Very few guys who own santuary properties will open the gates to rifle hunters in January. So the only way to get it through the DNR's head is to quit buying tags.

How often do you coyote hunt and what is your method? Alot of deer experts on here. Where do you get your info. Have you done some studies in these areas? Maybe you have, or are you going by what people say when they cant get a mature buck on the ground. There are plenty of excuses people cant get it done and every time i think ive heard them all another one comes up. I didnt see alot of mature bucks during gun season and i too thought maybe deer numbers were down in my area but my trail cameras tell a different story. Just because you cant see them doesnt mean they are not around. They may not be on the property you hunt but thats nobodys problem but your own. Maybe you should contact peta they will help you end this tragic season
 
How often do you coyote hunt and what is your method? Alot of deer experts on here. Where do you get your info. Have you done some studies in these areas? Maybe you have, or are you going by what people say when they cant get a mature buck on the ground. There are plenty of excuses people cant get it done and every time i think ive heard them all another one comes up. I didnt see alot of mature bucks during gun season and i too thought maybe deer numbers were down in my area but my trail cameras tell a different story. Just because you cant see them doesnt mean they are not around. They may not be on the property you hunt but thats nobodys problem but your own. Maybe you should contact peta they will help you end this tragic season
you can never base mature buck numbers off of gun season, since they for the most part lay low and are generally smarter than most of the run and gun hunters out there. I guess I'm not sure if you like stirring the pot or if your really serious because your argument is a weak one at best.
 
Sorry Bowtech, the devil is in the details; My neighbor owns 2k acres but only farms about 20-25% of that. However, the lease $ has averaged a little over 20k the last 3 years..... that is a little better than a couple of thousand $ per year.

Ok makes more since if hes only farming 500 acres.
 
you can never base mature buck numbers off of gun season, since they for the most part lay low and are generally smarter than most of the run and gun hunters out there. I guess I'm not sure if you like stirring the pot or if your really serious because your argument is a weak one at best.

Thank you for that, proved my whole point most mature deer are smarter than the run and gun hunters and lay low. Most late season hunters according to you haters out there are run and gun. So mature shed bucks should be fine is this correct hotshott or do you not know what your talking about?
 
The state's is going to recommend that the number of doe tags sold be cut quite significantly in comparison to what was sold in 2011 (I forgot what the # was but it was quite high). They also want to cut the January antlerless season down 1-2 weeks and get rid of the November antlerless season. They are aware, and their research has shown that our states deer population is on the decline (has been since 2006), and if we continue to do the things that we are doing it will obvioiusly continue to decline. The DNR is very happy with how we as hunters stepped up to the plate and harvested does when asked to do so, and reached a goal that they wanted us to reach.....now they are concerned that if the gov continues to ignore them that we as hunters aren't going to trust the DNR again, and if the population ever does get high again none of us will be willing to step up to the plate and shoot does for fear that the population will dip too low again.

I was actually at a conference today and Tom Litchfield gave a presentation. He stressed that they attempted to lower the tags last year, but their proposals were sent to the governors office where they were 'stopped' and not folllowed through with. He stated that the problem with this happening last year is that now (this year) he is going proposing even larger cuts in the amount of does harvested to compensate for what were killed this year. These larger cuts in the amount of doe tags sold are going to be even harder for the 'deer haters' to swallow. The guys who 'don't like deer' are not going to like these new proposed doe quotas, even though they agreed a few years back that once the population reached what it is currently that the amount of doe tags sold could be lowered.

No matter what Tom and the rest of the DNR staff propose for changes, nothing can be done if the Governor (their boss) 'puts a stop to it.' We, as hunters, are the ones who must voice our opinions. The Iowa Farm Bureau will be ready to fight come February and March, so we must be too.

Another interesting tidbit, and although a bit off topic, was the topic of the amount of NR tags sold. Tom stated that Iowa sells approximately 5% of tags to NR's, which is about what Missouri and Minnesota sell (they have a much larger herd though and much more cover for whitetails). He stated that even though there is talk of increasing the amount of NR tags sold each year, they aren't planning on doing it. If it ever does happen, he said that instead of zones, they will delegate each tag on a county by county basis. So, if you want to hunt, lets say, Decatur county, IA, you would put into the draw for Decatur county only. This in turn will lead to NR's waiting for even longer to draw a tag in counties like Decatur (hot NR counties), even though more NR tags are sold.
 
Flood him with calls and e-mails

The state's is going to recommend that the number of doe tags sold be cut quite significantly in comparison to what was sold in 2011 (I forgot what the # was but it was quite high). They also want to cut the January antlerless season down 1-2 weeks and get rid of the November antlerless season. They are aware, and their research has shown that our states deer population is on the decline (has been since 2006), and if we continue to do the things that we are doing it will obvioiusly continue to decline. The DNR is very happy with how we as hunters stepped up to the plate and harvested does when asked to do so, and reached a goal that they wanted us to reach.....now they are concerned that if the gov continues to ignore them that we as hunters aren't going to trust the DNR again, and if the population ever does get high again none of us will be willing to step up to the plate and shoot does for fear that the population will dip too low again.

I was actually at a conference today and Tom Litchfield gave a presentation. He stressed that they attempted to lower the tags last year, but their proposals were sent to the governors office where they were 'stopped' and not folllowed through with. He stated that the problem with this happening last year is that now (this year) he is going proposing even larger cuts in the amount of does harvested to compensate for what were killed this year. These larger cuts in the amount of doe tags sold are going to be even harder for the 'deer haters' to swallow. The guys who 'don't like deer' are not going to like these new proposed doe quotas, even though they agreed a few years back that once the population reached what it is currently that the amount of doe tags sold could be lowered.

No matter what Tom and the rest of the DNR staff propose for changes, nothing can be done if the Governor (their boss) 'puts a stop to it.' We, as hunters, are the ones who must voice our opinions. The Iowa Farm Bureau will be ready to fight come February and March, so we must be too.

Another interesting tidbit, and although a bit off topic, was the topic of the amount of NR tags sold. Tom stated that Iowa sells approximately 5% of tags to NR's, which is about what Missouri and Minnesota sell (they have a much larger herd though and much more cover for whitetails). He stated that even though there is talk of increasing the amount of NR tags sold each year, they aren't planning on doing it. If it ever does happen, he said that instead of zones, they will delegate each tag on a county by county basis. So, if you want to hunt, lets say, Decatur county, IA, you would put into the draw for Decatur county only. This in turn will lead to NR's waiting for even longer to draw a tag in counties like Decatur (hot NR counties), even though more NR tags are sold.

Does Branstad take e-mails? Geez flood him with "get rid of the January season e-mails" By the way great information! Thanks!
 
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FOOD FOR THOUGHT

I think the late season messes with everyones head. Including those who are the most proactive deer "managers"

I think that many of you doe killers will see the implications of the deer numbers next year. I think that this year we were teetering on the edge. Guys that hunt late season to control there deer herd are doing it at the total wrong point of the year. The reason you have deer during the late season is because you are PROACTIVE, you have the best cover on your ground, and in most cases some of the best food sources, a large amount of deer come there when they have too. But they dont live there. You do not have that many deer!!

Not only are you feeding "your" deer (I dont mean this negative at all) but you are feeding all of the "neighbors" deer. My question to you is, how many deer did you see in October, and how many deer does your farm actually hold???

There are a number of farms that will hold outrageous numbers of deer every year, I have the priveledge of hunting some of them. But look outside the box fellas.


On topic to the post.... The shed buck season is stupid. I cant put it into words. But my god, give the deer a break, we have already chased them for 3+ months straight. It just doesnt make sense to me.
 
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Thank you for that, proved my whole point most mature deer are smarter than the run and gun hunters and lay low. Most late season hunters according to you haters out there are run and gun. So mature shed bucks should be fine is this correct hotshott or do you not know what your talking about?
Well since most people talk about shed bucks getting shot in the field feeding when they pick the larger deer out and shoot.. not so much run and gun there............:thrwrck:
 
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