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JNRBRONC

JNRBRONC

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All these polls on what you think about deer related hunting issues might be for naught. It might seem great to flex and vote your views, but what happens when the rubber hits the road? Who is going to enforce the laws. I mentioned it previously in a post that our DNR game wardens are spread desperately thin. They have to cover very large areas of the state. They are only human and can't be everywhere all the time. They depend on good information from the general populus to do their job. Maybe a poll on whether we should increase funding for the DNR? Laws don't matter to criminals, especially if there is weak enforcement.
 
I can’t speak for any area other than my own but there could be twice as many wardens where I’ve seen and they’d stay busy.
 
JNRBRONC said:
All these polls on what you think about deer related hunting issues might be for naught. It might seem great to flex and vote your views, but what happens when the rubber hits the road? Who is going to enforce the laws. I mentioned it previously in a post that our DNR game wardens are spread desperately thin. They have to cover very large areas of the state. They are only human and can't be everywhere all the time. They depend on good information from the general populus to do their job. Maybe a poll on whether we should increase funding for the DNR? Laws don't matter to criminals, especially if there is weak enforcement.
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All for naught, for sure. 50-100 votes per pole from a radical group hardly represents the all.
 
I guess we control what we can control. Rule breakers are going to continue to break rules regardless of what laws are placed in front of them. However, I don’t think our population issues are from poachers or even poachers “over harvesting” our issues lie with common folks who merely don’t know what they don’t know. There’s legit still people out there shooting does just because it’s something they’ve always done. There’s guys out there shooting multiple bucks during shotgun season, cutting the racks off and throwing em in the flower garden. There are guys as we speak planning a hunt for tomorrow morning to go shoot does because their county has left over tags even though we on this side of the fence know they shouldn’t be. Look at the Facebook post guys have made last couple days. The comments are really really disheartening that anyone would say that their deer herd isn’t significantly down from years prior…………..

Human nature is to be reactive instead of pro active. It’ll take the population to be zero before some of these guys will admit there’s a problem. So, we need the state to step up and start throwing their weight around.
 
Changing laws will always only affect the people that follow them. I would like to guess that the vast majority of people 85 to 90 percent will follow the law. Another 5 percent bend the law and 5 percent will never follow the law.

Giving people the freedom and liberty to take as many deer as they want how they want is what ruins deer herds fast. If it is legal people will do it, I am one of them. I don't like that straight walls were introduced but I sit during shotgun hunting and have used a straight wall to deer hunt.

Giving out antlerless tags, people will buy them up, maybe not fill them all but they have them in their pocket. Cut back tags so they aren't available.
 
Muddyrem said:
I guess we control what we can control. Rule breakers are going to continue to break rules regardless of what laws are placed in front of them. However, I don’t think our population issues are from poachers or even poachers “over harvesting” our issues lie with common folks who merely don’t know what they don’t know. There’s legit still people out there shooting does just because it’s something they’ve always done. There’s guys out there shooting multiple bucks during shotgun season, cutting the racks off and throwing em in the flower garden. There are guys as we speak planning a hunt for tomorrow morning to go shoot does because their county has left over tags even though we on this side of the fence know they shouldn’t be. Look at the Facebook post guys have made last couple days. The comments are really really disheartening that anyone would say that their deer herd isn’t significantly down from years prior…………..

Human nature is to be reactive instead of pro active. It’ll take the population to be zero before some of these guys will admit there’s a problem. So, we need the state to step up and start throwing their weight around.
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This is a great response. Regulation works in the hunting realm, look at the last 100-125 years of wildlife history and the adoption of the North American Model of Wildlife Management. It speaks for itself. Regulation is the only thing that saved many species.

Yes there are dirtbags. Always will be. And while I would be all in favor of more wardens, Iowa isn't spread that thin comparatively. One, maybe two, counties per officer region here. Back home in NE they cover 3-4 much larger counties. I personally know one officer who is covering 12 counties right now because officers to his east and west left and they are having a hard time filling the positions. I'd be interested to know what the spread is like in other midwest states.
 
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Dang. Okay it could get better! I looked it up and NE has 62 active officers including administrative staff...it's no wonder I moved...
 
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