Good point Ghost, I also hunt a timber with cows usually adjacent, the deer don't mingle with the cows much because the area the cattle are in is pretty much destroyed, no thickets, no food, so not to many deer other than to occassionally get from one timber to the next. However, the areas just adjacent to the cattle are jammed full of deer, I think maybe due to the lack of bedding on the farm except in a few places.