Thinkin Rut
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I am going to continue to vote for conservatives so iabwhntr has the freedom to vote democrat.
Hahahaha!:way:
hoosierhunter
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Mplane
I apologize but your disregard for estate taxes and downplaying how many affected is like Obama talking about the cost of obamacare.
People forget that upon death fair market value is established for all assets to determine worth. The farms are sold because the deceased wasn't liquid enough to pay the taxes due 9 months after death.
Small business is also greatly affected as the balance sheet means nothing to the businesses worth.
As for citing a flawed society for what's wrong in education. Interesting as the society got flawed from entitlement that was set forth from which party???
What? No wonder you don't like entitlements. Public education failed to teach you proper sentence structure and how to use deductive reasoning...
Sorry Pat, I there was no way I was going to let that monster get by!
Try it again. I want to know what your thought process is on this one.
mplane72
PMA Member
No need to apologize. I'm certainly not. I understand what the estate tax is and does and what would happen if it was eliminated. Sorry, but I have no sympathy for anyone who has to pay taxes on anything they inherit over 5 million dollars.
I don't ID myself as a D or an R. I have and will continue to vote for the candidate that best represents my views. Unfortunately, that is getting harder to do and I usually end up just voting for the least crappy choice.
hoosierhunter
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What? No wonder you don't like entitlements. Public education failed to teach you proper sentence structure and how to use deductive reasoning... Sorry Pat, I there was no way I was going to let that monster get by!
Today's youth have been raised with their hand out and being told failure is acceptable. IE everybody gets a ribbon or a trophy. Parents have failed to teach their kids life lessons and have let main stream culture mold what's right and wrong. Now it's a crime to paddle your kids ass. I could go on and on.
Society has made being average ok.
Yep. Sad but true. I used to argue with my step kids because they didn't want to get a job and work for money.
They turned 18 and I booted 'em. The youngest one got a job 2 days after I kicked him out.
I agree today's kids feel to entitled. I wonder what our country will look like in 30 years.
They turned 18 and I booted 'em. The youngest one got a job 2 days after I kicked him out.
I agree today's kids feel to entitled. I wonder what our country will look like in 30 years.
Hardwood11
It is going to be a good fall!
D
Democrats have done a very good job of securing votes for the future. They give out free stuff to people in exchange for votes and it works!
Unions, gays, minorities, it is numbers game. They pander to all of the above mentioned and they have a majority. It is a clear strategy and it has worked as of late.
Long term it is impossible to give away that much $$$ and without sinking the country.
Democrats have done a very good job of securing votes for the future. They give out free stuff to people in exchange for votes and it works!
Unions, gays, minorities, it is numbers game. They pander to all of the above mentioned and they have a majority. It is a clear strategy and it has worked as of late.
Long term it is impossible to give away that much $$$ and without sinking the country.
That's not entirely true. It's not a bald face lie but rather something one would expect to see on Fox "news".
You could say that current state of affairs is so abysmal that the majority of people need some kind of assistance in order to survive and it just so happens that its the democratic party are the ones who will provide it.
I could also make the statement the republican party hates anyone who is not college educated, white collared and makes at least six figures. But that's not entirely true either is it.
SaskGuy
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I'm not a Christian. I must be bad for society. Lol
I also believe in the death penalty and tougher sentences in general.
I could care less if someone is gay.
I believe people on welfare should be forced to take food stamps and other papers for clothing etc instead of getting cash.
I'm happy with our health care system as is.
I wouldn't be sad if my union disappeared.
I'm on the fence about gun control issues.
I think too much entitlement exists.
I think the education system in na should look to Finland for ideas.
I don't believe my culture to be better than anyone else's.
I dislike that our govt is more interested in giant corporate money than the environment.
Honestly, where would I fit there?
I also believe in the death penalty and tougher sentences in general.
I could care less if someone is gay.
I believe people on welfare should be forced to take food stamps and other papers for clothing etc instead of getting cash.
I'm happy with our health care system as is.
I wouldn't be sad if my union disappeared.
I'm on the fence about gun control issues.
I think too much entitlement exists.
I think the education system in na should look to Finland for ideas.
I don't believe my culture to be better than anyone else's.
I dislike that our govt is more interested in giant corporate money than the environment.
Honestly, where would I fit there?
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hoosierhunter
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Into the common sense category that most elected officials don't belong to!
Sask, no one said non-Christians are bad, but the United States, it's moral foundation, rules and laws are based in Christianity. I'm not a holy roller either but for decades now liberal politicians and activists have fought to destroy that foundation. A society minus rules, laws, and moral lines is destined to die. Maybe Canadians see it differently?
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Can you cite any specific liberal politicians or even any laws that were introduced by liberals that have done that?
Even if you can't produce any evidence, what end do you think they are trying to achieve by destroying this country?
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hoosierhunter
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SaskGuy
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Beats me. I truthfully don't put much stock in any party trying to break down the fabric of society here .
I really don't know, not even sure what I believe about moral foundations to be honest. I'm not sure the people who settled and founded my country, my ancestors included ,had terrific moral foundation. We acquired the land through the genocide of a people and a miserable attempt to assimilate them. Not just miserable but horrific in some aspects. It was Christianity that was the backbone of those laws and rules and I will honestly say, they were not good.
But really, much of history isn't, and it isn't worth not living in the present. To not know it is to be a leaf that doesn't know it is part of a tree. One can only be the leaf and it doesn't mean the tree was right. I'm not saying Christianity or any religion is bad, I believe anyone can believe as they wish. I do however think they shouldn't govern anything. Yes, I understand laws are based on certain ideals of what is considered right and moral, but heck, buying blacks and selling them into slavery was once. Some ideas are archeaic and need to go.
I suspect we were built on a slightly different moral foundation although some ideas were the same. Heckk they'd have to be. My great grandparents came from Nebraska, Minnesota, and North Dakota and the one walked into a German settlement in Nebraska, said he was seeking a bride and had one offered to him that day. How's that for moral fabric? I'm quite certain they brought their ideas and morals with them north of the border like so many others who did the same. I do think, over time ideas have changed.
I really don't know, not even sure what I believe about moral foundations to be honest. I'm not sure the people who settled and founded my country, my ancestors included ,had terrific moral foundation. We acquired the land through the genocide of a people and a miserable attempt to assimilate them. Not just miserable but horrific in some aspects. It was Christianity that was the backbone of those laws and rules and I will honestly say, they were not good.
But really, much of history isn't, and it isn't worth not living in the present. To not know it is to be a leaf that doesn't know it is part of a tree. One can only be the leaf and it doesn't mean the tree was right. I'm not saying Christianity or any religion is bad, I believe anyone can believe as they wish. I do however think they shouldn't govern anything. Yes, I understand laws are based on certain ideals of what is considered right and moral, but heck, buying blacks and selling them into slavery was once. Some ideas are archeaic and need to go.
I suspect we were built on a slightly different moral foundation although some ideas were the same. Heckk they'd have to be. My great grandparents came from Nebraska, Minnesota, and North Dakota and the one walked into a German settlement in Nebraska, said he was seeking a bride and had one offered to him that day. How's that for moral fabric? I'm quite certain they brought their ideas and morals with them north of the border like so many others who did the same. I do think, over time ideas have changed.
SaskGuy
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Do you realty believe that? Cuba and North Korea are examples of that.
Truthfully, I get a kick out of Americans labelling Canada a socialist country (not saying you are)but it happens, as it simply shows how little they know about their neighbor to the north.
Sorry for the hijack.
hoosierhunter
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Our current administration wants the people dependent on government and more large government ran programs.
It's not as extreme as some other well known socialist countries, but the same principles in my eyes.
SaskGuy
Active Member
Forgive me for my ignorance, I do not live there. What types of large government programs do you see as a socialist?
I personally believe that many of the world's best nations use a combination of capitalist and socialist ideas, with capitalist being dominant obviously.
I apologize of I seem antagonistic, not trying to be. I am jut a guy that sees the merit in debate for it often brings awareness to the odd thing one doesn't necessarily think of.
I personally believe that many of the world's best nations use a combination of capitalist and socialist ideas, with capitalist being dominant obviously.
I apologize of I seem antagonistic, not trying to be. I am jut a guy that sees the merit in debate for it often brings awareness to the odd thing one doesn't necessarily think of.
hoosierhunter
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Obama wants to run the banks(financial sector), run health care(obamacare) and redistribute the wealth(even higher taxes on the rich).