Thanks guys for the responses. But I think Big Timber is on the right track. The reason that I ask is, I have a pretty good piece of land that is close to one of our wonderful cities. But because of that, I always have eyes seeing the deer on the place. Which in return gives me a big headache! Trespassers, motorcycles, atv's, ect... But worst of all, a treestand thief! 5 portables, and 1 ladder stand. The cops won't do anything, and the local game warden really don't want any part of it. Great guy, but not his job to patrol my property. And I agree with that, but like Big Timber said, who has time to go out patrolling every night? I don't want something to turn confrontational, but what choice do you really have when it comes down to a flat out trespasser? And as a land owner, I've heard every story in the world for why they are there, but you just know that they are lieing right to your face. And that just seems to make you madder! Only time will tell how this will play out. But for now, I'll stick with my new permanant stands, with 12" gutter spikes holding them in.....