I shot a buck a couple years ago with a g5 montec, double lung shot, he ran 40 yards and died, but at the same time, there was no blood trail at all, couldn't find a single drop, I also shot a doe the same year and had the same results, dead deer, but no blood on the ground. So I gave them to a buddy that also shot a buck and didnt bleed a drop, but he recovered the animal. Another one of my friends shot them and shot a real nice deer and said the only reason he found the deer was because he knew where he was headed after he shot him. JasonF talked me into shooting spitfires last year and I shot a buck with them last year and it made a hell of a crime scene. There was blood everywhere.