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HF 2657 - special lottery for non-residents
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Are there any serious organizations in Minnesota trying to fix anything?
Hardwood11
It is going to be a good fall!
We have Republicans in Minnesota, but once they are outnumbered & (Dems) have majorities they can’t pass anything constructive. Zero . Couldn’t even save a State Park. It’s basically no representation.
Gun control is being debated now, if you look it up, it’s bad for hunters & sportsman !
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Hardwood11
It is going to be a good fall!
Any attempt to improve deer hunting has been shot down . Rifles passed statewide, but each county can decide individually if they want shotgun or rifle . Most counties will be any caliber rifle (not straight wall)!
My county voted “No” to rifles 4-1 (voted on by the county commissioners) who actually listened! So a small win there .
Crossbows are legal now in Minnesota , that was introduced by Hmong (D) legislators and it passed.
Lots of potential here in MN, but it’s a very tough political climate and the DNR is right with them!
Windlooker
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It’s not as simple as go fix your state. I’m from PA, and like Hardwoods state, PA legislators don’t care about some topics. Hunting is one of them.
Iowa is mostly a rural state with only 3 million people and no major cities. Most legislators have rural value experience; the term Iowa Nice is rooted there.
PA for example has 13 million people, racial diversity, two big cities, with many legislators having zero outdoor experience or care about it. Demographics, values and priorities changed, it’s not PA from1955.
IMO state population, demographics (Iowa is mostly white), and associated values, or lack there of, drive legislation. The best thing I did was move to Iowa, but telling others to go fix your state is too simplistic.
Iowa is mostly a rural state with only 3 million people and no major cities. Most legislators have rural value experience; the term Iowa Nice is rooted there.
PA for example has 13 million people, racial diversity, two big cities, with many legislators having zero outdoor experience or care about it. Demographics, values and priorities changed, it’s not PA from1955.
IMO state population, demographics (Iowa is mostly white), and associated values, or lack there of, drive legislation. The best thing I did was move to Iowa, but telling others to go fix your state is too simplistic.
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Oh I know it’s not as simple as snapping your fingers , I’m just curious what it would take ? I just don’t believe there’s anything that can’t possibly be changed. That said, what it might take may be unrealistic and I can understand that.
But does Minnesota have anything like ISC and IBA ?
Windlooker
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I wasn’t targeting your comment specifically. I should have clarified that over the years many have told NRs to fix their own state on this site. Not that easy. To answer, if PA has a group I don’t know about it, and it wouldn’t matter anyway.
Hardwood11
It is going to be a good fall!
Minnesota has a small archery group that is growing slowly . Needs to get much bigger faster !!
They have The Minnesota Deer Hunters Association. They push gun hunting basically, & will not touch moving the gun season out of the rut! No no … very touchy subject .
Maybe we can get Skip up here and pose as a Minnesota hunter & see what he could do ? I think he’d eat Walz for lunch in a debate
Yeah I know, all good. But I do wonder what the states surrounding Iowa look like for groups like Iowa has. Every state that I have friends in always say the exact same thing you’re saying when it comes to deer regs, It just seems like if one state could make one decent change through lobbying maybe it’d give some other states the confidence to try.
Des Moines metro is around 800k these days. More people than Detroit. City folk vs rural is actually pretty close to 50-50
Windlooker
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I hear you. Pittsburgh metro which is a medium sized city has nearly 2.5 million, almost the entire population of Iowa. Philly metro is 7 million. Not to mention the racial diversity, wants and needs, thst Iowa doesn’t have to deal with for the most part.
A saying in PA is you have Pittsburgh , Philly and in between Alabama. Like we know the cities drive politics.
We had friends visit from Toronto in October. They could not believe they(we) were the majority. In Toronto Muslims, African American, Asians etc make up the majority. Point is diversity drives legislation.
Detroit metro has over 4 million people.
A saying in PA is you have Pittsburgh , Philly and in between Alabama. Like we know the cities drive politics.
We had friends visit from Toronto in October. They could not believe they(we) were the majority. In Toronto Muslims, African American, Asians etc make up the majority. Point is diversity drives legislation.
Detroit metro has over 4 million people.
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deerdown
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Tell me you don't own land in another state, without telling me you don't own land in another state.
You obviously have no idea of the fianancial cost to own, improve, pay taxes on, and travel to at least 12x a year. How much did those points costs you, oh my, please tell....People who own land in another state invest in that land every year. Not 1x every 6 years to come and hunt for a few days. This is a really ignorant response regarding financial comparisons. and doesn't even move the needle when comparing time spent planning a hunt vs planning food, bedding, signing up and implementing programs, addressing erosion, etc, etc. Had a good laugh over this one. Thanks
deerdown
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You don't know that. You are guessing. But this crowd seems to like to jump to conclusions.
Windlooker
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I’ve been on the site for 23 years under two different names. We do know. It’s a guy who used to go by the handle of Orion Whitetails on this site . He has deep pockets and founded a group named Friends of Iowa who tried to change the law each legislative season. I’d say this was in the 2010s maybe earlier. Then he went away but didn’t go away. He’s not the only one, there are others. Gotta say you’re wrong on this one.
As far as you being a nrlo, Iowa has always stated land ownership does not convey residency or preference. I was a nrlo, I moved to Iowa.
As far as you being a nrlo, Iowa has always stated land ownership does not convey residency or preference. I was a nrlo, I moved to Iowa.
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deerdown
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It's purpose wasn't to directly benfit or be of detriment to the residents of Iowa I don't believe. It was to reward the NRLO over NR. Everyone is taking 1 guy's supposed intentions and attacking anyone in a similar position. Wow. There's a name for that...
deerdown
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There's so much nonsense here, I can't get thru it all. At least not today......
I'll say this, if many on here are worried about the passage of the bill because land prices would skyrocket, NR's would be be pushing out residents and farmers from buying ground, etc. Then why are you same people not pissed off at the guy who owns this site. He came from Michigan I believe, bought and sold over 200 farms, most or all in Iowa I'd assume. He came to Iowa to specifically exploit the deer resource, did he not? The same thing Lee and Tiffany Locosky (sic) did. Didn't those capitalistic efforts raise the prices on land for everyone? Including residents? Didn't it bring more NR's into Iowa that aren't part of the community because they don't live in Iowa? Where's the outrage? He singularly probably caused more of the "harm" you guys are worried about than everyone else on here,,,,combined. Haven't heard a peep about that. Interesting. Telling. Fascinating actually. Blind spot.
And then, the real hypocritical part - he rants about people staying in their own state and fix your own states' problems.....because, um.. that's not what he did now is it. Pot meet kettle.....Let me know when you're moving back to Mi. I'll mark my calendar.
I'll say this, if many on here are worried about the passage of the bill because land prices would skyrocket, NR's would be be pushing out residents and farmers from buying ground, etc. Then why are you same people not pissed off at the guy who owns this site. He came from Michigan I believe, bought and sold over 200 farms, most or all in Iowa I'd assume. He came to Iowa to specifically exploit the deer resource, did he not? The same thing Lee and Tiffany Locosky (sic) did. Didn't those capitalistic efforts raise the prices on land for everyone? Including residents? Didn't it bring more NR's into Iowa that aren't part of the community because they don't live in Iowa? Where's the outrage? He singularly probably caused more of the "harm" you guys are worried about than everyone else on here,,,,combined. Haven't heard a peep about that. Interesting. Telling. Fascinating actually. Blind spot.
And then, the real hypocritical part - he rants about people staying in their own state and fix your own states' problems.....because, um.. that's not what he did now is it. Pot meet kettle.....Let me know when you're moving back to Mi. I'll mark my calendar.
Everyone you just mentioned now lives in Iowa and has lived here for a long time. And i would bet money anyone with 5 brain cells would love to have them as neighbors.
The bill would be a huge detriment to the residents of Iowa. I could care less what a NR's "intentions" are. How does it affect the people of THIS state? That's all that matters.
Windlooker
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I’m warming up the jiffy pop popcorn maker and cracking a beer. Lol
Why weren’t you at the subcommittee meeting on Wednesday? Jane would’ve really appreciated you sticking up for her bill.