Hardwood11
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It is fun to hunt other states!:drink2: When they let you!
Foi 3/2/11
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It is fun to hunt other states!:drink2: When they let you!
cedar creek
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What are you trying to say Hardwood? I'm pretty sure you can hunt the same species in Iowa as a nr. I don't think it's worth the trip for pheasants, but the goose hunting is much better than it use to be in Iowa.
Hardwood11
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Just giving you a hard time. I think we all just want to hunt as many days as we can, sure beats work!
Just giving you a hard time. I think we all just want to hunt as many days as we can, sure beats work!
I don't think there is any ethical questions about a NR or R pary hunting when they get together as a group, do a few pushes and everyone has an equal opportunity of filling the tags. I think it's great if a NRLO can get to know his neighbors well enough to join the local group, I think it's in everyone's best interests if this is the case, everyone benefits.
Now if a NRLO comes in and locks up a chunk ground, then "befriends" the neighbors to make an arrangement so he can fill one of their anysex tags whenever he doesn't draw, that is approaching unethical by my standards. If he insists on not being a pusher on every single drive so he can improve his odds of filling someone else's tag=fairly unethical. If he has a resident with a buck tag come along and hold his hand in a blind while he shoots an antlered deer off his own farm, highly unethical. If he doesn't even bother getting a resident to hold his hand while he shoots that antlered buck = illegal.
I don't know if I'm in the minority or not as a RLO, but that is how I see it.
Fishnhunt - what are your thoughts?
Non-Typ - legal was not the point he raised, he said ethical, that is what I was offering my opinion on, I apologize if I touched a nerve.
I agree with you 100% that it is legal, I was merely attempting to differentiate between what I believe to be ethical amongst the scenarios that present themselves when "party hunting", I thought I had articulated that fairly clearly, I am sorry that I failed in my attempt to do so. I am new to the site and my thoughts obviously don't transfer well when I express them via keystrokes.
I just cant understand why so many of you can accept its okay for a nrlo to group hunt use someone elses tag and tag a buck and be so against the same nrlo hunting his own land by himself.It makes no sense to me at all.Plus most of you agree that outfitters will cause much more harm than a nrlo havesting 1 buck and 1 doe but you risk nrlos leasing their land out because they cant hunt it .You all seem to agree that trespassing is a problem and the fines are not high enough to discourage poaching and trespassing but you spend most of your time communicating with your legislators about stopping nrlos who want to legally hunt their land than you do about stopping issues that hurt hunting for everyone.
biggest buck
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I've hunted Neb for Merriams and Mulies.
Kansas for Quail, Pheasant and Prairie Chicken.
Missouri back in the early 80's for whitetails but have never had the desire to go there again and never will.
Cooter
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I hunt Neb for Merriams dont have any here in Iowa. If the residents of that state wanted to go to a lottery I would not hold it against them.
Hunted Missouri once for deer. Have family ground down there so I could hunt there all I want but dont. We have all the same game here.
Hunted Missouri once for deer. Have family ground down there so I could hunt there all I want but dont. We have all the same game here.
Duckdogs I agree with you on everything but I am not big on being the ethics police! If it is not against the law and you wanna do it go ahead! I personally enjoy walking on pushes,seing the deer trails and sign that iowa deer leave! This kind of hunting is unique to iowa and they dont have near the deer or sign were I am from. That would be taking advantage of my friends that I have made and would probably not be asked to participate if I told them were I would sit or not walk. Again pick your battles ,outfitters will ruin Iowa which will come from more nr tags, not 1000.00 nrlo tags to hunt there own land.
ironwood
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This is all more like passing gas than a wind. None of the efforts have ever had a hope in passing. The only reason to not negotiate is because they have nothing and never have had anything. What they want is bad for the future of our state. It would mean loss in revenue to the DNR as the resident hunter becomes extinct. Reason and good sense has prevailed.
I do like the idea of a tag every other year for NRLO and open public hunting on their off years. That is a good compromise. Everyone wins.
Keep in mind this has zero to do with private property rights and is all about the public resource(whitetail deer). If you want to keep your private property private take the draw the law allows you.
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"I do like the idea of a tag every other year for NRLO and open public hunting on their off years. That is a good compromise. Everyone wins."
Ironwood, you're out of your mind. A NRLO who spends a ton of money on their property having to open the land up to those who have nothing invested in off years is nuts and not a fair compromise.
If you were honest you know the offer is a joke, and know NRLO's will oppose it, and then use the declined offer against the NRLO's in the next sessions. You guys are skilled politicians??
A NRLO who shotgun hunts usually draws a tag every other year anyway.
You must be on the Obama socialism train, take from those who have earned it and distribute it.
I would not participate and nor would most NRLO's. Resident friends already hunt my place without the IBA bribing me to do so.
Ironwood, you're out of your mind. A NRLO who spends a ton of money on their property having to open the land up to those who have nothing invested in off years is nuts and not a fair compromise.
If you were honest you know the offer is a joke, and know NRLO's will oppose it, and then use the declined offer against the NRLO's in the next sessions. You guys are skilled politicians??
A NRLO who shotgun hunts usually draws a tag every other year anyway.
You must be on the Obama socialism train, take from those who have earned it and distribute it.
I would not participate and nor would most NRLO's. Resident friends already hunt my place without the IBA bribing me to do so.
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cedar creek
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If the dnr needs the money; why haven't they increased the number of nr tags? On what issues does the state of Iowa have to comprimise with either the nr or nrlo on? Just because you ask; doesn't mean you shall receive. Get over it. Now tell me about the nrlo rights. I would think any neglect of rights would be a law suit against the state agencies. So lets see the nrlo's of Iowa ban together and do something about your trampled rights. I'm really getting tired of hearing the whining. Put up or shut up!
Hardwood11
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risto2351
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Fishnhunt,
Please tell me why anyone needs to compromise?
The law was written and is spelled out correct?
The DNR has other avenues for money other than the NR.
The DNR and legislators need to do what is right for the state of Iowa
and its constituents.
As long as the people let their voices be heard it will be very hard to change.
I think the legislators of Iowa have the resident's future and Iowa's wildlife in their best interest.
ElkHunter
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Since MOST of the NRLOer's are so fair and open mined and MOST of the Ia. res are selfish and close mined, let's put the shoe on the other foot. Jdub, FnH, HW11 you are the IBA/res hunter and I'm the nrlo, you gunna welcome me with open arms and willingly give me all the benefits of the res lo?
Hardwood11
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I cannot speak for others, but in Minnesota there is no difference for whitetail deer, Resident or Non-Resident all over the counter (limits, tags, and seasons are the same) you would have to pay a higher fee to hunt, but I think it is less than $150 over the counter.
Minnesota used to charge reciprocity (meaning that the cost of the tag was equal to the cost of the tag in the state of the applicant). There were several former Minnesotans that had moved to Iowa (paying $400+ for a tag) and they lobbied to change that and now it is the same price for everyone, no matter the state.
I cannot speak for others, but in Minnesota there is no difference for whitetail deer, Resident or Non-Resident all over the counter (limits, tags, and seasons are the same) you would have to pay a higher fee to hunt, but I think it is less than $150 over the counter.
Minnesota used to charge reciprocity (meaning that the cost of the tag was equal to the cost of the tag in the state of the applicant). There were several former Minnesotans that had moved to Iowa (paying $400+ for a tag) and they lobbied to change that and now it is the same price for everyone, no matter the state.