Fishbonker
Life Member
So there are thermal imagers now that are good enough to see fine detail? Last I knew they only showed "hot spots", but then I still use an 8 track. But only because my turn table needs a new needle.
Still listening to music the way it was suppoed to be, all scatchy and poppy. How many of you spent hours trying to get the counter weight just right on the tone arm? Lord I'm old.
The 'Bonker
Still listening to music the way it was suppoed to be, all scatchy and poppy. How many of you spent hours trying to get the counter weight just right on the tone arm? Lord I'm old.
The 'Bonker
dbltree
Super Moderator
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Lord I'm old.
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Now there's something we can al agree on!! /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif
Awww...who am I kiddin...I'm right behind ya Bonks... /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/blush.gif
Don't care for shinin'..ya'll know that but getting a law passed to change it seems unlikely based on what I've heard in the past.
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Now there's something we can al agree on!! /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif
Awww...who am I kiddin...I'm right behind ya Bonks... /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/blush.gif
Don't care for shinin'..ya'll know that but getting a law passed to change it seems unlikely based on what I've heard in the past.
Full Quiver
New Member
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fishbonker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So there are thermal imagers now that are good enough to see fine detail? Last I knew they only showed "hot spots", but then I still use an 8 track. But only because my turn table needs a new needle.
Still listening to music the way it was suppoed to be, all scatchy and poppy. How many of you spent hours trying to get the counter weight just right on the tone arm? Lord I'm old.
The 'Bonker </div></div>
Don't get rid of all that vinyl, Bonker, it's making a comeback. Still wish I had all my old albums. /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif
Still listening to music the way it was suppoed to be, all scatchy and poppy. How many of you spent hours trying to get the counter weight just right on the tone arm? Lord I'm old.
The 'Bonker </div></div>
Don't get rid of all that vinyl, Bonker, it's making a comeback. Still wish I had all my old albums. /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif
JNRBRONC
Well-Known Member
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fishbonker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How many of you spent hours trying to get the counter weight just right on the tone arm? Lord I'm old.</div></div>
Ever put a penny on the back of the stylus? I need to replace the stylus on the turntable as well.
In regards to spotlighting, everybody knows the poacher twist, but try this scenario:
You've worked hard and saved your money to buy a piece of ground. You spend countless hours (and $$$) doing timber stand improvement, planting food plots and shooting does to manage the local deer herd. Low and behold, come late in the year as the bucks are starting to shed, a "hard core" trophy hunter happens to spotlight a very nice buck on your property. He can't gain access from you, but he finds a neighbor who will let him in. He sets up and successfully harvests the fruits of your labor, just by being willing to sit on his backside in a vehicle waving a spotlight out the window. He could care less about your hard work and deer herd issues, 'cause he just got all he wanted……
He'll find another target buck next year, maybe a county or two in the other direction, but how long will it take for you to get another decent buck on your property?
But hey, it wasn't your deer anyway, since the deer are a public resource.
Ever put a penny on the back of the stylus? I need to replace the stylus on the turntable as well.
In regards to spotlighting, everybody knows the poacher twist, but try this scenario:
You've worked hard and saved your money to buy a piece of ground. You spend countless hours (and $$$) doing timber stand improvement, planting food plots and shooting does to manage the local deer herd. Low and behold, come late in the year as the bucks are starting to shed, a "hard core" trophy hunter happens to spotlight a very nice buck on your property. He can't gain access from you, but he finds a neighbor who will let him in. He sets up and successfully harvests the fruits of your labor, just by being willing to sit on his backside in a vehicle waving a spotlight out the window. He could care less about your hard work and deer herd issues, 'cause he just got all he wanted……
He'll find another target buck next year, maybe a county or two in the other direction, but how long will it take for you to get another decent buck on your property?
But hey, it wasn't your deer anyway, since the deer are a public resource.
Ghost
Life Member
Oh crap...I'm going to come right out and say it!
Shoot me in the morning if you must.
Scouting with a spot light is lazy...
I hate them, I hate what they are used for, and I don't want one shining all over any fields in my county.
With the technolgy of todays trail cams, you can find out all you need to know with a digital picture.
I have spot lighted before and it just makes me feel dirty doing it ...
Everyone grows up differently though, it's just not for me, and I don't care for it, or see a need for it.
This has been hashed out many times before.
Feel free to add your comments, my mind has been made up a long time ago on this issue.
And yes, I do feel it would make our Iowa DNR officers time a little more productive.
Think of how pissed you would be if you got called out of bed in the middle of the night to investigate a harmless scouting mission by some guys that were just "looking for MR. BIG"...
Obviously, I'm not on the fence...I fell off the other side a long, long, time ago...
How do some guys kill B&C bucks every single year the first week October? With a bow?
Man, must be some kinda awesome deer hunters.
I've said TOO MUCH...good night!
Shoot me in the morning if you must.
Scouting with a spot light is lazy...
I hate them, I hate what they are used for, and I don't want one shining all over any fields in my county.
With the technolgy of todays trail cams, you can find out all you need to know with a digital picture.
I have spot lighted before and it just makes me feel dirty doing it ...
Everyone grows up differently though, it's just not for me, and I don't care for it, or see a need for it.
This has been hashed out many times before.
Feel free to add your comments, my mind has been made up a long time ago on this issue.
And yes, I do feel it would make our Iowa DNR officers time a little more productive.
Think of how pissed you would be if you got called out of bed in the middle of the night to investigate a harmless scouting mission by some guys that were just "looking for MR. BIG"...
Obviously, I'm not on the fence...I fell off the other side a long, long, time ago...
How do some guys kill B&C bucks every single year the first week October? With a bow?
Man, must be some kinda awesome deer hunters.
I've said TOO MUCH...good night!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fishbonker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So there are thermal imagers now that are good enough to see fine detail? Last I knew they only showed "hot spots", but then I still use an 8 track.
The 'Bonker</div></div>
They are pretty decent actually, they basicly look like black and white TV. Most everything has a different heat signature and therefore shows up as a dicernable detail, at least at reasonable range (units I've seen have no zoom). I'm sure you have seen emails with B+W footage of military bombings from Iraq, thats thermal imaging.
They have their drawbacks though, including price. At a starting price of $15,000 or so I doubt you'll see too many poachers using one. I would imagine a thermal rifle scope would be considerably higher yet if you could even find one. Plus, while you could certainly see a deer at 150 yds with one, you'd have a hard time telling a buck from a doe since antlers dont give off heat once they lose velvet. Not that I've tried it... /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif Sorry to get off topic.
Personally, I hope this bill passes.
The 'Bonker</div></div>
They are pretty decent actually, they basicly look like black and white TV. Most everything has a different heat signature and therefore shows up as a dicernable detail, at least at reasonable range (units I've seen have no zoom). I'm sure you have seen emails with B+W footage of military bombings from Iraq, thats thermal imaging.
They have their drawbacks though, including price. At a starting price of $15,000 or so I doubt you'll see too many poachers using one. I would imagine a thermal rifle scope would be considerably higher yet if you could even find one. Plus, while you could certainly see a deer at 150 yds with one, you'd have a hard time telling a buck from a doe since antlers dont give off heat once they lose velvet. Not that I've tried it... /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif Sorry to get off topic.
Personally, I hope this bill passes.
dbltree
Super Moderator
Like Ghost I'm pretty passionate in my feelings about shining and why it shouldn't be legal here in Iowa.
I've also learned to be realistic when dealing with issues and bills that end up in the House, so now I'm less prone to argue over something that's most likely going no where.
Here's last years discussion on shining when House File 191 showed up.
From last winter when i met with Rep. Whitaker:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yesterday I had occasion to sit in on debate in the Iowa Senate which I found very interesting.
Later we met with our Rep. John Whitaker, who not only is a hunter but has ridden with local CO's and witnessed first hand what many of us already know...and some of you wish to deny.
CO's themseleves have been working with John to come up with regulations to either ban shining or limit it to the time before hunting seasons.
I can tell you right now that trying to convince John that it does not create a very very serious problem by allowing recreational shining during hunting season..you'll be wasting the "keystrokes"
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This bill went nowhere even though John tried, too much opposistion from farmers and "people who like to take pictures of deer" (according to John)
It's all but impossible for CO's to fight poaching period, let alone with legal shining. If lights were illegal then they only have to concentrate on lights...cause' they would be out there illegally!
Anway...I/we have said all that in previous "passionate arguements"...so until I hear that a bill has a snowballs chance in he$$ of passing I'm not gonna get to worked up over it... /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smirk.gif
I've also learned to be realistic when dealing with issues and bills that end up in the House, so now I'm less prone to argue over something that's most likely going no where.
Here's last years discussion on shining when House File 191 showed up.
From last winter when i met with Rep. Whitaker:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yesterday I had occasion to sit in on debate in the Iowa Senate which I found very interesting.
Later we met with our Rep. John Whitaker, who not only is a hunter but has ridden with local CO's and witnessed first hand what many of us already know...and some of you wish to deny.
CO's themseleves have been working with John to come up with regulations to either ban shining or limit it to the time before hunting seasons.
I can tell you right now that trying to convince John that it does not create a very very serious problem by allowing recreational shining during hunting season..you'll be wasting the "keystrokes"
</div></div>
This bill went nowhere even though John tried, too much opposistion from farmers and "people who like to take pictures of deer" (according to John)
It's all but impossible for CO's to fight poaching period, let alone with legal shining. If lights were illegal then they only have to concentrate on lights...cause' they would be out there illegally!
Anway...I/we have said all that in previous "passionate arguements"...so until I hear that a bill has a snowballs chance in he$$ of passing I'm not gonna get to worked up over it... /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smirk.gif
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I have spot lighted before and it just makes me feel dirty doing it </div></div> /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif
It makes me feel dirty to and that's not easy to do.
It's already hard enough getting permission to hunt in my area, I don't think going out and spotlighting the local's fields is going to help my cause any.
I pretty much agree with all Ghost said, get rid of it.
Dbl,
I hear ya. You can waste a lot of time and grief over issues that aren't going anywhere. Just keep a close eye on stuff and save the energy for later. /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif
It makes me feel dirty to and that's not easy to do.
It's already hard enough getting permission to hunt in my area, I don't think going out and spotlighting the local's fields is going to help my cause any.
I pretty much agree with all Ghost said, get rid of it.
Dbl,
I hear ya. You can waste a lot of time and grief over issues that aren't going anywhere. Just keep a close eye on stuff and save the energy for later. /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif
tlambert
PMA Member
Being from WI where spotlighting is legal, I can say its a bad deal. I've done it a couple times in the past, but no more.
It really hits home when I'm sitting at my parents house and every 10 minutes a vehicle goes by and a spotlight hits the windows. Bad bad deal. Most of the people shining could really care less where they shine.
And the worst part of it up there, is when you hear a gunshot up the road when its pitch black outside.
It really hits home when I'm sitting at my parents house and every 10 minutes a vehicle goes by and a spotlight hits the windows. Bad bad deal. Most of the people shining could really care less where they shine.
And the worst part of it up there, is when you hear a gunshot up the road when its pitch black outside.
SWBUCKHNTR
Member
I disagree with spotlighting as well. However I like most have done it before. The biggest deer I ever shot I seen him one night in a cornfield. The only reason I spotlighted him was he ran across the road chasing some does right in front of my truck and I had to look. the next morning I shot him 4 miles away across a river on a compltely different farm. So I see no reason to do it for scouting purposes during rut anyway because those bucks are going to go where ever the girls go, just like most of us.
Now my other opinion is that I dont think sitting in a truck looking at stuff without a spotlihgt is a lazy way to scout. Late summer early fall that is my best scouting tool. I put way more time in than many of my friends glassing fields and finding where the bucks are hanging out. And that is why I think I have more success than many of them. I dont consider it lazy I think it is the smartest way to scout without scaring deer out of your area. that is my opinion.
Now my other opinion is that I dont think sitting in a truck looking at stuff without a spotlihgt is a lazy way to scout. Late summer early fall that is my best scouting tool. I put way more time in than many of my friends glassing fields and finding where the bucks are hanging out. And that is why I think I have more success than many of them. I dont consider it lazy I think it is the smartest way to scout without scaring deer out of your area. that is my opinion.