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Posted by 180Class in a different thread

Deer are just deer. They shouldn't be idolized,put up on a pedestal or take priority over other things. Remember the important things in life and focus on them. Family, friends, faith....



Posted by me in this thread

Get a grip! the sky is not falling

I fail to see your point. Did I say something wrong? These are just my thoughts. My priorities have greatly changed over the past couple seasons. I still love deer hunting. Ask anyone who knows me, it's my passion, but I have learned to not let it consume me like it has in the past.
 
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I dislike this antlerless season just as much as the next guy, but for different reasons. I believe it's served its pourpose and has gotten the deer herd down to a managable level. At this point, I strongly believe that all the extra opportunities to shoot does over the past few years, has drastically declined the population in many areas. I also think that a majority of the guys that take part in this season are just being greedy. Lets be honest, do you really need 4 full months to kill a deer? Not to sound like a bunny hugger here, but give the deer a break! I'm also betting that most of the participants already have a freezer full of deer meat and at this point in the game, are just out to shoot something. I have one last question and I'm being completely serious. What's it matter if a buck is shot now without his head gear, or a month ago while he was still holding? I've never understood why some people get so upset about a shed buck being killed now, but if he was shot a month ago, everyone would be handing out congratulations.


180,
It is manageable in certain areas and certain pockets not all. These areas that have fewer deer after the counts will more than likely have lower quotas or not have a season at all.
Some areas still need deer harvested to get to where they want to be.

As far as being greedy I completely disagree with you. Some of us just like being out there hunting. Myself like others have had opportunities to harvest does but opt to wait until now to fill our freezer with a few does.

So yes I need four months to fill my freezer and no my freezer is not full.
If they do away with the season then yes I will fill it sooner but until then that is my option. Not being greedy but just optimizing my time in the field.

We can paint as bleak of a picture as we want but there will still be big bucks around next year. Lets all help get the numbers where they want them and watch them back off the quotas.

Just my .02
 
I fail to see your point. Did I say something wrong? These are just my thoughts. My priorities have greatly changed over the past couple seasons. I still love deer hunting. Ask anyone who knows me, it's my passion, but I have learned to not let it consume me like it has in the past.


No, not at all. I agree 100% with what you said and that is why I re-posted it. I'm sorry if you took it wrong

I was using your quote to try to make a point that it is my opinion that there are many people especially on this website that are making mountains out of mole hills when it comes to DEER. There is much more to life and that is why I used your quote.

I love to hunt deer and I would not care if the state goes away with the late doe season although I will be hunting it. I have hunted the late season the last few years and we have yet to shoot any shed bucks so I guess I am not one of the slob hunters or the 90%!! :moon:
 
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I would tend to agree with Skip on the thought that 70%-80% (90% a bit high) are not identifying whether it is a shed buck or doe during this season. In Monroe Co. this season is pretty much dubbed "Truck Season" because these guys don't even get out of the vehicle to shoot.

It needs to go away and it needs to go away soon.
 
I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me why it's such a no no to shoot a buck now without his rack as opposed to a month ago when he was still holding? I'm not trying to be difficult, I truely am curious as to the reason.
 
I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me why it's such a no no to shoot a buck now without his rack as opposed to a month ago when he was still holding? I'm not trying to be difficult, I truely am curious as to the reason.

I'll give a few reasons since I'm doing a poor job at keeping my threads short....
1) the DNR's ANNOUNCED MOTIVE for the season is to shoot DOES. The DNR has put out NUMEROUS messages for "general public" on best practices to identify DOES and NOT shoot shed or button bucks. It's their position they have created this season for DEER # reduction- DOES & the DNR and everyone else knows the way to achieve population reduction is killing DOES - it takes out 3 in one shot PLUS 2 fawns the next year, etc. It's doe management season- you have to have seen all the DNR tips and articles on its purpose and the tip write up on identifying does.

2) In the areas where Does need to be shot- those areas have poor ratios of bucks to does and more bucks need to live and more female deer need to be taken. My buddy goes out and shoots the "biggest doe" he could find- SHED BUCK. When you hunt a farm like one I hunt near Des Moines, it's no big thing to see 5-10 antlerless deer for every buck. Unfortunately, a good # of those bucks that have shed often get shot at.

3) "2 months ago folks would be congratulating hunter that shot the buck, now it's a NO NO". Ok, 2 months ago they would have had to use their only buck tag (normally just one) and that's it for bucks. Keeps a limited harvest on bucks for management/biological reasons. The season was intended for YOU to shoot 1 buck and buy as many DOE tags (antlerless) as needed. It's all about management, biology, keeping ratios in check and limiting buck harvest to a defined managed level.

4) To piggy-back on #3, if I shot a buck with a 170" rack that was 6.5 - it would be celebrated. If I shot that buck with no horns, I'd have 200 lbs of tough meat and I'd be kicking myself. There's no biological reason for me to shoot that 6.5 and it DAMAGES the herd, ratio, age structure, etc - yes I just said that, it does. If my brother shot a shed buck off my farm, I'd be kicking him in the crotch, I do NOT have that luxary with other hunters, all I can do is educate and respectfully talk about Biology and Deer Management. If you'd celebrate a "180 Class" Buck, would you celebrate shooting that buck 2 months later with no horns???? Make a biological argument that your 180 class buck (shed buck) shot during late antlerless season was a a good deer to shoot.....

5) OPINION here.... Personally it bothers me that a buck eludes youth hunters, then all of bow season, then all of 1st and 2nd shotgun, finally as late muzzleloader season closes- he's been crafty, smart and the wonder of the woods- able to elude all - OR maybe he's a great young buck that was repeatedly passed up- MAYBE he's not old enough to be clever yet BUT was passed repeatedly. Either way- by mid-January to late January, the pressure for him has subsided. He's clever BUT he feels little pressure AND because it's getting later in year, COLDER, less food & no cover- he drops his guard and makes himself more vulnerable (not saying he isn't during ML, later it gets it's worse though)- some group of DOE hunters drops him in his tracks and the hunters of that neighborhood will never get a chance to hunt this majestic & smart buck again. What, for a tough 200 lbs buck that won't taste as good as a doe. I feel it's an un-needed and poor way for a buck to go down and be appreciated by us hunters. I also feel like it does a major dis-service to the other hunters in your neighborhood who would have loved to have a crack at him next year.
 
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Iowa

As an outsider looking in, I really do understand all the late gun seasons. I think Iowa is smart to have an early December shotgun season, very smart! These late gun seasons when many of the bucks have already shed their antlers, I just do not get it, especially the rifle seasons.

Minnesota has their gun season during the rut, which I hate. However, we do not have late Decemer gun seasons or January rifle seasons (thank God). We also have a one buck per person limit for the year, archery and gun combined...one buck that is it (party hunting is allowed still in parts of the state).

Iowa allows in some cases 3 bucks or more to be shot per person...bow, gun, landowner, and possibly party hunting. That is too many, and I will predict that will change in the future.
 
I'll give a few reasons since I'm doing a poor job at keeping my threads short....
1) the DNR's ANNOUNCED MOTIVE for the season is to shoot DOES. The DNR has put out NUMEROUS messages for "general public" on best practices to identify DOES and NOT shoot shed or button bucks. It's their position they have created this season for DEER # reduction- DOES & the DNR and everyone else knows the way to achieve population reduction is killing DOES - it takes out 3 in one shot PLUS 2 fawns the next year, etc. It's doe management season- you have to have seen all the DNR tips and articles on its purpose and the tip write up on identifying does.

2) In the areas where Does need to be shot- those areas have poor ratios of bucks to does and more bucks need to live and more female deer need to be taken. My buddy goes out and shoots the "biggest doe" he could find- SHED BUCK. When you hunt a farm like one I hunt near Des Moines, it's no big thing to see 5-10 antlerless deer for every buck. Unfortunately, a good # of those bucks that have shed often get shot at.

The DNR is willing to have a little "collateral damage" to meet their population goals.

Make a biological argument that your 180 class buck (shed buck) shot during late antlerless season was a a good deer to shoot.....
If with a rack he was worthy, then by default as a shed buck he is worthy. I don't see the difference except for the "trophy hunter mentality". Still the same animal whether carrying bone or not. You said make a "biological" argument. Trophy hunting is ANTI-biological: harvesting the most vigorous specimens of a population makes NO biological sense.

5) OPINION here.... Personally it bothers me that a buck eludes youth hunters, then all of bow season, then all of 1st and 2nd shotgun, finally as late muzzleloader season closes- he's been crafty, smart and the wonder of the woods- able to elude all - OR maybe he's a great young buck that was repeatedly passed up- MAYBE he's not old enough to be clever yet BUT was passed repeatedly. Either way- by mid-January to late January, the pressure for him has subsided. He's clever BUT he feels little pressure AND because it's getting later in year, COLDER, less food & no cover- he drops his guard and makes himself more vulnerable (not saying he isn't during ML, later it gets it's worse though)- some group of DOE hunters drops him in his tracks and the hunters of that neighborhood will never get a chance to hunt this majestic & smart buck again. What, for a tough 200 lbs buck that won't taste as good as a doe. I feel it's an un-needed and poor way for a buck to go down and be appreciated by us hunters. I also feel like it does a major dis-service to the other hunters in your neighborhood who would have loved to have a crack at him next year.
This passage is full of your opinions that you are projecting onto others in the hunting community.

I'm not comfortable shooting shed bucks, but I'm not going to chastise others if they choose to.

I guess this is a website that focuses on antlers first though........
 
The DNR is willing to have a little "collateral damage" to meet their population goals.

If with a rack he was worthy, then by default as a shed buck he is worthy. I don't see the difference except for the "trophy hunter mentality". Still the same animal whether carrying bone or not. You said make a "biological" argument. Trophy hunting is ANTI-biological: harvesting the most vigorous specimens of a population makes NO biological sense.

This passage is full of your opinions that you are projecting onto others in the hunting community.

I'm not comfortable shooting shed bucks, but I'm not going to chastise others if they choose to.

I guess this is a website that focuses on antlers first though........

I'll strongly argue that trophy hunting which is often combined with qdm results in a better deer herd. Iowa is a top example- go to a place like MI which doesn't have trophy hunting for moist part- horrible. My trophy hunting - along with many others - is targeting older bucks- no matter the score. Along with enough does shot. This will result in better age structure, genetic diversity (yet, top end hunting on whitetails has shown little to no difference in gene pool), better ratios and better balanced deer herd. My buddies who u call "trophy hunters" have some of the best ratios, quality, age classes, quality habitat VS the non "trophy" lands.

Yep- SOME of what I said is opinion and some is facts, estimates or reasonable logic. Our opinions will always differ and change. Beauty of this land is we can try and persuade, debate and educate for things we believe in. I happen to believe this season is a disaster and believe it for all reasons I stated. I am not NEARLY as against the hunters out there VS the creation and exisitence of the season. I'll even be out there soon! I'm not laying blame on non-educated hunters or folks who don't care- I simply feel this season has a ton of "collateral damage" and the DNR needs to do away with it.

If it really doesn't matter- how about we leave the rifle season open YEAR ROUND until population goals are achieved????
 
If it really doesn't matter- how about we leave the rifle season open YEAR ROUND until population goals are achieved????

I would go with that statement.
If everyone could come to a consensus and take out the does
I would be for it.
 
To 180Class---If you look at most everyone's avatar and especially yours you should be able to understand why it is a "BUMMER" to shoot shed bucks. I don't claim to have all the answers but this one is an easy one to understand. If too many shed bucks are killed there won't be any 180 Class bucks the following season to hunt. Hope that makes sense to ya.
 
The sky is falling, the sky is falling..aaaaahhhhhhhhh. We go through this every year guys, take a deep breath, relax and hope you don't get hit by a bus this summer and you will be able to hunt next fall.

I am thinking some of you guys who own farms must have issues with guys sitting on your fence lines popping anything that comes out. That is the only reason I could see getting all worked up about this. If I owned 500 acres, I think I would have enough food concentrated in the center of it that I would not worry about this season. Heck, I would be out there every day.

I wish I would of won the mega millions the other day. I would go to walmart tomorrow and BUY out all the remaining doe tags for the state :)
 
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To 180Class---If you look at most everyone's avatar and especially yours you should be able to understand why it is a "BUMMER" to shoot shed bucks. I don't claim to have all the answers but this one is an easy one to understand. If too many shed bucks are killed there won't be any 180 Class bucks the following season to hunt. Hope that makes sense to ya.

I will also say, if you're one of the many hunters who have seen a major decrease in buck sightings, mature buck sightings and are more dissatisfied along those lines; this late season has a lot to do with it, deer numbers and killing lots of bucks. For those of you in areas with too few #'s or few mature bucks- this season is a kick in the crotch.

The sky is falling, the sky is falling..aaaaahhhhhhhhh. We go through this every year guys

We've said this for what, ONLY 4 years now???? Look what's happened in 4 years. This season is "NEW" and after 4-ish years, we're seeing what happens. You tell me there isn't large amount of folks who have had drastic declines in buck sightings? Large amount of folks who are not seeing many deer period? Large amount of guys who are seeing far fewer mature bucks? It's happening and like I said just above, this season has a good part to do with that. This season has changed the game to some degree- I say significant in areas - in just 4-ish years.
 
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I will unapologetically agree that it's too bad for the bucks that elude hunters for 4 months just to get killed being mistaken for a big doe at the end of January. Maybe that buck just drops early, or maybe he was pursued so hard that it wore him down to the point where he dropped early, it doesn't matter. It's a shame.

The goal of this antlerless season was to decrease deer numbers where needed. Shooting shed bucks is not the way to accomplish this goal. I understand that sometimes it can be difficult to distinguish between a shed buck/button buck or doe, especially for your average weekend warrior who is out there specifically to try and kill a deer at 300 yards with his dads old 30-06, or even just party hunting for the fun of it but c'mon, at least TRY.

I hunt areas that today, have probably 30% the amount of deer compared to early-mid 2000's so it is expected that I'll see less bucks and mature bucks. I also hunt areas where the population has changed very little and am seeing WAY less mature bucks and the only variables that have changed are 1. I've learned a lot over the years and have become a better hunter and you would think this would afford me more sightings BUT... 2. The november and january antlerless seasons have taken their toll.
 
To 180Class---If you look at most everyone's avatar and especially yours you should be able to understand why it is a "BUMMER" to shoot shed bucks. I don't claim to have all the answers but this one is an easy one to understand. If too many shed bucks are killed there won't be any 180 Class bucks the following season to hunt. Hope that makes sense to ya.

I'm not saying I agree with shooting shed bucks. I agree it is a "BUMMER". I personally would never intentionally shoot one, but like Jnrbronc said, I won't chastize someone for doing it. It happens.

I think you're missing my point. If someone shoots that 180 class buck in October when he has his rack, he's just as dead then as when he gets shot in January when he doesn't have his rack. The end result will be the same. So your point of that 180 class buck being around the following season, doesn't make sense.
 
I'm not saying I agree with shooting shed bucks. I agree it is a "BUMMER". I personally would never intentionally shoot one, but like Jnrbronc said, I won't chastize someone for doing it. It happens.

I think you're missing my point. If someone shoots that 180 class buck in October when he has his rack, he's just as dead then as when he gets shot in January when he doesn't have his rack. The end result will be the same. So your point of that 180 class buck being around the following season, doesn't make sense.

I think MOST are chastising the existence of the season VS the folks who don't properly identify or don't care if they shoot a shed buck.

See, your 2nd point... In October, they shoot that buck & put their alloted BUCK TAG on it, they are DONE, no more BUCKS to be shot during Bow season, there's a BUCK limit and you're done. I can go out and shoot ONE BUCK with my bow- great: good rule, agree, helps with great management, PROPER & GOOD LAW/REGULATION. BUT... Then, during late antlerless season, I could go out and shoot 4 bucks that have dropped their antlers for example. I could shoot 1, 2 or 20 shed bucks - as many tags as I can get. Hurts ratio, age class, neighborhood opportunity on bucks, management & is not the purpose of the season, etc.
 
I wish I would of won the mega millions the other day. I would go to walmart tomorrow and BUY out all the remaining doe tags for the state :)

IF that ever does happen Liv please save at least two or three for me.
I still need a couple does for my freezer. ;)

Sky isn't falling here, man do I ever love being out there. Since I bought the HBS temperature is not an issue. :drink1:
BTW- Nice late season buck.
 
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