Jake_Schlotterback
Member
Its called "Hunting" for a reason. The only way you can truely guarentee that a deer is going to stay in youre area is with a high fence. Im sure that would make it so much more fun then
. People see a deer a hand full of times in one area and automatically that is "Their" deer.Its called "Hunting" for a reason. The only way you can truely guarentee that a deer is going to stay in youre area is with a high fence. Im sure that would make it so much more fun then
No one said it was their deer. What sucks is...a deer of high quality that is mature...orbon the way to maturitu...getting shot from 300a yards...minus his antlers...not good for buck to doe ratio...not good for growing mature bucks...and instead of being a trophy...its a shed buck..congrats.
Monsterbuck
Active Member
zwelch said:
Have bucks at my place that were already shed last week.
Jake_Schlotterback
Member
Which goes clear back to my first post. Not everyone that deer hunts is out there for the trophy. Some people actually go out to enjoy it and could care less about a trophy. When in what seems to be your case you are out there to shoot something to brag to your buddies about, other people are out there to actually enjoy time with friends. So weather they get a "Congrats" on a big buck or a "Congrats" on anything else they will still know that they had a blast doing it.
Thinkin Rut
PMA Member
I'm going out on a limb here...everybody wants a trophy!:grin:
Jake_Schlotterback
Member
Of course everyone wants one. Lets be realistic. But not everyone will go for broke on a trophy every year. I know pleanty of people that are just after a deer. And like I said I personally do hold out for the trophy. Got pleanty of meat in the freezer and it would go to HUSH if I did get one. But a lot of people don't share that view. Where are most of you guys from that the deer numbers are down? I know that my private 120 acres is having more deer activity then ever. I was on a bean field last week and had 70 deer within 300 yards. Of those 60 were doe.
Haha, everyone is after a trophy without a doubt! A "trophy" is different in the eyes of each person. But i am going to also go out on a limb and say that not many shed bucks have been considered "trophies!"
To me a trophy is a deer with alot of meat. Horns are just a bonus. By the way, that shed buck I shot last year during late muzzy, well he was delicious. Quote "of the 3 deer we keep roughly 150lbs"? What did you do to the deer you didnt keep? Did you shoot more deer than you needed? Guy from Minn. wants to shoot a monster for a cheaper tag. He has his own agenda. If Im reading most posts here correctly most people are just worried bout themselves. On their own agenda. If you think you can make someone change what their doing so that you have a better chance at a monster next year, you are kidding yourself. You wouldnt think of telling a farmer when to sell his calves because they are his property. But folks are trying to convince others when to shoot a deer? When its their legal right? GET OVER YOURSELVES
Hardwood11
It is going to be a good fall!
3 bucks is what I kept. I did give some to some others & sometimes do HUSH.
I personally think if you read everyone's stories, experiences, opinions & biological arguments- I think those on the "Season should end" side of this are the OPPOSITE of selfish!! It would create better hunting for everyone. It's giving "respect" to an animal that deserves it and has avaded hunters for 3.5+ months. It's respecting biology, DNR recommendations, other hunter's opinion surveys. When we know most hunters and DNR overwhelmingly are requesting for the season to end, as intended, YOU want to keep it going - against those folk's overwhelming interest. I think you could make the argument that is more selfish. Shooting a shed buck for a little more meat when it likely would be a trophy for another hunter (and yes, I think most here value the "trophy" aspect, however YOU define it) in the year's following- that seems selfish to me.
You can shoot what you want. Do you at all ask yourself (just curious) "hey, I'm having fun shooting this animal, it helps me (food for example or entertainment) BUT what is the biological reasoning of this and does this make biological sense, impact: good/bad, etc?" Do you care only about the fun & a little extra meat possibly OR do you consider your neighbors, fact based & evidence based biology, management, etc?
I personally think if you read everyone's stories, experiences, opinions & biological arguments- I think those on the "Season should end" side of this are the OPPOSITE of selfish!! It would create better hunting for everyone. It's giving "respect" to an animal that deserves it and has avaded hunters for 3.5+ months. It's respecting biology, DNR recommendations, other hunter's opinion surveys. When we know most hunters and DNR overwhelmingly are requesting for the season to end, as intended, YOU want to keep it going - against those folk's overwhelming interest. I think you could make the argument that is more selfish. Shooting a shed buck for a little more meat when it likely would be a trophy for another hunter (and yes, I think most here value the "trophy" aspect, however YOU define it) in the year's following- that seems selfish to me.
You can shoot what you want. Do you at all ask yourself (just curious) "hey, I'm having fun shooting this animal, it helps me (food for example or entertainment) BUT what is the biological reasoning of this and does this make biological sense, impact: good/bad, etc?" Do you care only about the fun & a little extra meat possibly OR do you consider your neighbors, fact based & evidence based biology, management, etc?
My only agenda is to get out and have fun hunting the family farm every chance I can. The fact is I never shot a deer late muzzy cause im a terrible shot. I was being sarcastic cause the thought of another shed buck getting killed gives most a terrible sick feeling in their stomach. Rediculous.... Heck I hate paying 13 dollars for the doe tags, They should be 5 for residents. If you read my post 4 times you wont see where I said anything about PURPOUSLY shooting anything. I fear you wanted to make a jab at my character to take away from your agenda. FELLOW HUNTERS AND OUTDOORSMEN, IF YOU DONT HAVE ANYTHING GOING ON (SERIOUS), IN YOUR LIFE, EVERYONE IS HEALTHY, AND LIFE IS SO GOOD THAT THIS IS THE ONLY THING THAT YOU HAVE TO GET UPSET ABOUT, YOU HAVE BEEN BLESSED. Please, live and let live.
& maybe we shouldn't care Obama got re-elected or that you live in a van down by the river BUT this is America, we want to improve many aspects of life for all. It's OUR STATE'S deer herd, the citizens "own" this resource & should and do have a voice into its management. I know rainbow & butterflies are great & likely most hunters & outdoorsman are happy and fulfilled people in many ways BUT having biological concern, thinking of things beyond our own self gratification & interests and having an appropriate conversation about all this should be fine in anyone's book. and if it isn't, it's also a free country to ignore it all OR one could choose to live life as a total moron, make bad life choices, whatever (not talking about you). Freedom is great in a lot of ways & it's great we can discuss these things and talk about a resource that belongs to us all & how each feels is best for it.
JNRBRONC
Well-Known Member
You said it. The citizens own the deer. 10% of the citizens hunt, probably only 1-2% of those are rabid trophy hunters. So I understand why you have to talk so loud to be heard.
Sligh1 you are right im afraid, most on this site are interested in the trophy as you define it. I think that majority of those that dissagree arent on here. Other hunters opinion surveys? Are they on this site only or sites like it. I believe you would have the majority. I dont think hardly anyone hunting the late season has ever visited this site. How would you bowhunters like it if the Dnr did away with bowhunting and had an anysex high power season from Oct. 1st till shotgun season. There could be less wounded deer as high power rifle are more accurate at longer ranges. That would be a way to also respect the deer as you say, cause there might be less wounded deer crawling off and dying. Im willing to accept opinions as thats what they are. Last, are there any DNR people on here that recommend this season ending cause all I hear is people on here speaking for them as I imagine it suits their agenda. I am an avid bowhunter btw.
You said it. The citizens own the deer. 10% of the citizens hunt, probably only 1-2% of those are rabid trophy hunters. So I understand why you have to talk so loud to be heard.
Who represents us for deer management as ALL THE CITIZENS?????? WHO????? Well, in the end, in IOWA- it's both the DNR & in some cases they can be overrun by the legislature. So, the citizens, hunters or not, are getting their representation & the laws or regs have resulted.....
So, in this example, ALL CITIZENS had 2 conflicting organations with disagreeing opinions. We do understand that the DNR said "we created this season to achieve XYZ goal & the season was created to be a short term tool used to get to XYZ result, once arrived, the season will end" or however it was exactly termed. You understand that's how this season was created, defined and limited correct? Then, what happened???? FARM BUREAU who had a very tight relation ($!!!) with Brandstad, lobbied & lobbied & lobbied (and said what behind the seeen we only can guess) to have Brandstad overrule and run over the top Biologists at the DNR & the final DNR recommendation which included: scientfic data, hunter survey/opinion, biological backing, reference to previous season reasononing/creation, etc. In THIS EXAMPLE- it fundamentally boils down to which group the CITIZENS of this state side with (and essentially it was too late for them to decide)- FB/Brandstad OR the DNR. The choice was that clear and simple. Which side you choose to side with is yours & your right. I believe non-hunters and hunters would side with DNR. Llast year the DNR claimed the overwhelming response to Brandstad's office, from hunters & non-hunters was for a reduction in deer tags and the end to this season.
If you want to disagree with this and much of the FACTS stated above, that's your perogative. The opinion here is one of a million. Tried saying in the very beginning the post isn't about me. I don't personally attack anyone (you won't find it ANYWHERE & my posts don't go away) that has a view - I may disagree with them but I am not insulting or saying anything vulgar, etc. I have an opinion, you do too. You voice yours, I see it all the time. I didn't know posting had a "volume" but I guess when folks get passionate & others might feel they do not having as solid of backing in their stance, maybe it's a tactic to distract by talking about someone personally or deflecting the argument. Please feel free to disagree with anything I say, NO PROBLEM.
"TROPHY AS YOU DEFINE IT". PLEASE.... Read my last post, give me a break. Read it, FOUR times (that seems to be coming up often) - I said "A trophy as YOU DECIDE OR DEEM IT" or whatever the heck I said. I didn't once give my specifications as to what a trophy is. I simply called a spade a spade & said that, darn right- I'll bet you folks on here do consider "trophy value", whatever that means to them - that frequent this site or hunters in general across the state. We all look at "trophy's" and I'm not getting into the tacky argument of defining it (maybe it's a kid with his 1st 6 point or doe, maybe it's a 3 year old in an area that rarely even sees 2 year olds, etc). BUT- sure, I'll call the BS card if someone tries to claim their "Shed buck" is a "trophy to them". Ok- you can say it, whatever BUT at that point, hogwash. You know darn well that shed buck you shoot would likely grow bigger the next year and make a hunters dreams come true or give him a season of satisfaction after he put down an "older buck"- for sure 2 or likely older with a rack. You know the satisfaction & smile on any hunters face to get that deer. Some guy wants to shoot it, doesn't care about that other hunter someday.... As of now that's your right. I think it's pretty crappy BUT sure, you can do what you wanna do.
My point is, we need to remove this season- AS INTENDED- so that type of thing doesn't happen as much and as needlessly as an antlerless season in mid January with shed bucks galore that the DNR has fought to end while FB fights to keep it going. I'm simply taking sides on a "battle" of management perspectives of OUR STATES DEER. Hope that's ok. & you have the right to take the side of FB - & heck, you're winning so far!
Didnt vote for obama. I live in a split foyer on the hill. I dont want you trying to improve my life!!! I do not know a dang thing about rainbows or butterflies. Dang it I have been called a moron once and I never told anyone about my bad choices so theres no way you know them. You killed more deer than you needed. you gave them away you said. Can anyone tell me how killing more deer than you need is not selfish. How did that help the deer herd you are so worried about? Holy cow you shot 3 bucks? Thats not showing the deer the respect it deserves. Im laughing so hard I have tears in my eyes. I havent been this entertained since duck dynasty was on last night.........Ok serious now dont improve my life and dont tell me how to hunt. You can do as you see fit. I dont care. If you think you own the deer on someones farm.... You dont.
sureshot
The Hunt Never Ends....
Skip, do you enjoy sitting on a computer and arguing? Just wondering. Figured you were smart enough to realize that you aren't going to change anyones opinion on the internet. I learned that awhile back.
You have your opinion. Great. Thanks for sharing it....we get it. :way:
You have your opinion. Great. Thanks for sharing it....we get it. :way: