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'Years Of Giants'- A Look Back

Why am I crazy? This post has literally given me mixed emotions. I am being rediculed for posting pictures of big deer. This happened last year around the same time when Cooter called me out for posting a card pull I had. Mike.....no offense, but if I was worried to tell my buddies that I saw a big buck, then I would quit hunting. That's just sad.
 
Mike, did the hunting industry cause gas to triple in price in the past 10 years as well? Seems to me everything has went up.
 
Keep postin' away Chris. I love reading your posts, and enjoy looking at all the pictures you share. I know when I get some good pictures of nice bucks, I can't wait to show all my buddies, and even post them on here. What fun is it to keep everything to yourself? I don't even know if I would hunt if I couldn't share the memories with friends.
 
It was just a joke man that I had to throw in after weeding through the replies. Unfotunately you can't see that in a text type reply. It is to each their own on what they post. I could care less, I like seeing the pics. Every area / situation is different. You wouldn't post that stuff if you had been burned from it before. I think your safe where your at. Other areas all it takes is a guy with a spot light or a guy with a fat check book and your out a spot all because you posted a picture of a giant. It happens more than you think.

True buddies I can tell them about all the big bucks I see. No problem there man. It is the guys that could be considered friends but not like true buddies that can hunt the same ground are the ones you got to watch out for. I am sure a lot of us can relate to sharing hunting ground with others. You talk to them etc share what you seen and the next thing you know they move right in because you are seeing a 180+ on that side of the farm. Been there, done that.

You are right, hunting hasn't increased the price of gas. But do you not think that marketing / advertisment hasn't greatly increased the cost of products? Look at Rage or anything that has bone collector on it or lee and Tiff etc. Thumb through hunting magazines or watch videos and see all the endorsed crap out there. That all comes with added cost. The market is flooded with products and the smart ones do know advertising sells but they got to make up for it somewhere.

A good example would be just looking at broadheads. I believe you can pick up a pack of slick tricks which is probably one of the best fixed blade heads on the market with little marketing budget for I believe $25 for 3. You then go look at stuff from G5 or Rage or Grim reaper and it is all $40 a pack and sometimes more. Those packages all have some big namer hunter on it. I got to believe this type of marketing is increasing cost.

It doesn't really matter to me because I can easily afford anything out there but at the same time it does drive me a little crazy to think I just paid extra for something because it has the bone collector stamp on it.

No sense in really complaining about it because it is what it is.
 
It was just a joke man that I had to throw in after weeding through the replies. Unfotunately you can't see that in a text type reply. It is to each their own on what they post. .

Mikey, you know I have no hard feelings! I knew you were joking. Maybe I was joking with you? :D But for real, how about those gas prices.....I heard they are going to continue to drop ;)
 
Mikey, you know I have no hard feelings! I knew you were joking. Maybe I was joking with you? :D But for real, how about those gas prices.....I heard they are going to continue to drop ;)

I get my gas for free hahaha at the expense of others. Kind of like big name hunter gets his hunting accessories for free at the expense of others. ;)

On a side note, I just saved a bunch of money buy switching to geico so I should be good to go for fall of 2012!!
 
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I wasn't going to get into this, other than supporting Chris. But, I gotta say a few things.

Mike, you're a smart guy and even though we haven't met I have nothing but respect for you. I also know there are a lot of guys who share your sentiments about the "commercialism of the industry" or for that matter, hate the word "industry" when used in conjunction with their passion of hunting.

Having said that, I am going to mention a few things you said, but I am not attacking you (Mike) or anyone else for that matter... Simply stating a few things that I consider as facts, yet you can take as my opinions. Not pointing fingers at anyone specifically... just keep that in mind when you jump my crap after reading this. Civil conversation, that's all....

The simple truth is a reality.... without commercialization all the products we enjoy as hunters, $25 Slick Tricks all the way up to the $80 Titanium Rages (or whatever for that matter) only exist because of money and advertisements, which in other words is commercialization.

What kills me is everyone on here, except for maybe one or two guys buy modern hunting equipment.... whether its a $50 jacket or $250 jacket, or $1500 bows, and still complain about the direction or commercialization of the industry.... My question - is innovation worth anything? Some bows are extremely expensive, but it takes a lot more than simple manufacturing to build a bow.... new concepts and ideas should not be free! Is it fair to "reward" the guy who came up with those concepts that made that product what it is? In ANY other industry, people wouldn't share their ideas unless they get paid for them, why should it be any different with the hunting/fishing industry? On top of that, there is always a price mark-up, thats good business, simple economics and if you don't make a profit you fail and your product (regardless of what it is) will cease to exist.

I guess to be honest, gripping about the commercialization of the industry and turning around and buying ANYTHING hunting related seems very hypocritical. Perhaps thats my opinion and maybe you disagree, but prove me wrong. I'm open minded...

Life is unfair, no doubt about it... The cost of EVERYTHING is going up and paychecks seem to stay the same or even go down, it sucks.... But the reality is - EVERYTHING is commercialized: your coffee, your milk, your tires, your internet, your music, EVERY sport is completely commercialized, etc., etc., etc.,. I guess my point is simple, you can't change it, you won't change it... I say get on board and enjoy the fruits of modern technology and innovation as there is a lot of cool stuff out there....

But, if you choose to stay with more inexpensive options, GREAT! You have the choice to buy Slick Tricks over Rages... or carve your own out of Churt... but to participate you have two options... Pay for any product you need, which only exists through monetary investment and advertisement. Or, your other option is to build your gear through natural means. Is one method right or wrong over the other? I don't think so... But, you have to pick one or the other OR YOU DON"T HUNT. Its not a mandate like ObamaCare (I don't care if they call it a tax, its a mandate, period :grin: )

What's worse, is these people who complain about commercialization of "Their Passion" are quick to criticize anyone who chooses to take the risk and invest in the industry professionally. I find this just sad...

So, someone has worked hard to work in the outdoors and has developed a "name" that can endorse certain products, why is that so bad? Like it or not, most of these people have earned that amount of credibility, and its a smart business decision to grow product sales off of respected individuals. Some of you hate the Drurys, or Waddell, or whoever, but I am willing to bet any amount of money that if you actually got to know them and left jealousy out of it, you would find that a very strong majority of these hunters are good ethical people that are interested in helping others become better hunters... Why is that so wrong?

Unfortunately, a lot of people claim "If I had his money/land I could shoot the same big bucks that they do." I understand how one could think this, but to be honest, I doubt it would be true. Lee Lakosky is not a slouch. He knows his deer better than most. Larry Weishuhn is a deer encyclopedia, Mark and Terry Drury are big buck killing machines and have a lot of knowledge to share... They didn't get to where they are at by being lucky, or being in the right place at the right time... they earned their way to the top. But, because they live their life in the lime-light, that opens them up to criticism and haters... they will always have haters, no way around it. But walk a mile in their shoes....

Some also claim the industry is to blame for declining land access... I don't really buy that mentality. Land changes hands, it always has it always will and when a new purchase or lease comes to the table, those that hunted the property previously will no longer have access.... If I bought land, no one else would have access to it, period.... And I flat guarantee that everyone on this site would do exactly the same if they owned ground. You are not entitled to land access, Period. My situation is very similar to Chirs', I have lost more ground than I care to recall, thousands of acres... but I didn't complain about it or quit hunting, I got out and built new relationships with new land owners and now I have more and better access than I ever have, all through a handshake. I do not worry about sharing my photos because if someone wants to take "my" hunting access away from me due to a big buck I have on cam, it wont happen. Why? Because I have invested in the people. I have some great friends that let me hunt, because I don't put the deer in front of the relationships.

Is it wrong to choose to hunt a mature buck over a younger deer? Absolutely not. I agree with Mike when he says its too bad when someone says "imagine that buck in a few years" after someone took a "lesser deer". Shoot what makes you happy and I'll congratulate you regardless. But, worrying about what other hunters shoot is a moot point because unless they are across your fence, it doesn't affect you, AT ALL.

I have avoided controversial discussions on here lately, but I felt inclined to comment on this one. I'm not going to argue, I've given that up as its not worth the bottle of Tums I eat in the process. :grin: Anything I have said above is not meant to be argumentative, simply for the sake of the discussion. I'll continue to share my opinons and personal experiences that clearly indicate why I feel the way I do, but I won't bicker back and fourth on this...

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Plain and simple.... in any walk of life, and any industry, there are people that just plain like to bitch about things.

If you truly have the deep rooted passion for hunting and the outdoors, you will pay the money for the things you want and not complain. There are way to many other expensive things out there in other walks of life that can be complained about instead :D

As far as other people sharing things they've seen or experienced..... well, that's kind of what this site is supposed to be all about. So to the guys that are chastising Chris.... I guess I really don't understand why you are on here?

Cooter, I'm friends with you on here, but you baffle me. You post some very informational things, whether it be gadgets or equipment tweeks, or hunting videos, and you are always quick to help people with how to post vids and pics and you seem like you are ate up with hunting much like the rest of us. So I guess I don't understand the bitterness or despise. I don't see many people ripping you when you post vids or pics of things you have done?
 
Thomas, thanks for the reply. I am definitely no wordsmith and did use the term industry which should have been comercialism. I do like where the industry is going and that is better products for the hunter. I also work in a technical field where we have technology that none of our competitors do and that technology comes with a price but the benefits greatly outweigh the cost of the product so it makes sense. Myself personally have no problem paying for technology.

You and Chris are definitely not the guys I am referring to that make the hunting videos that turn me off. I enjoy watching your guys videos because they are real and you can tell you are genuinely enjoying it and having fun. I am glad to see that you guys have the motivation to go up and beyond and go after whatever dreams you may be pursuing.

I also have respect for the drurys, lakoskys, kiskys, Bill Jordan, Michael Wadell, chuck adams etc. They started low, know their stuff and absolutely get it done. I may have lost my mind but if you watch the videos of theirs from 10 years ago and then watch the videos of now you can tell that "money" is talking. Why wouldn't it? Money simply talks, it affects everyone of us everyday. If I could jump out of a bush and say with a cheesy smile "It is like throwing an AXE through an animal" and I had personal monetary gain from it, I would do it." It is what it is.

I beleive the term comercialism has gotten us to this point where products are getting pushed on us and it is hard to sift through the BS to see what really is good or not. Companies know if they get the big names to endorse they will sell more products. Makes sense. To pay for that, increases our costs, I get it.

It is really hard to express how I feel about it and have it make sense on here. I guess when i watch shows today all I see is marketing, marketing marketing. When I flip through magazines, all I see is marketing, marketing, marketing. I get it, companies need to do it to thrive. People don't like change and I am one of them. I long to see shows like you guys make that are genuine. I like to watching hunting without all the added stuff in there. Show me the hunt. If you want to have a piece at the beginning or end with all the equipment that you use that is great. I will listen. It is when you see all the tag lines or sayings during the hunt and after that gets to me. I also don't like the shows that do dumb little skits in the middle of it or have hunting competition between teams. I also don't like seeing deer shot that appear to have been shot just to make tape. You can tell when someone is genuinely excited. I guess it is just the comercialism that has gotten to me personally.

It is really no big deal. I am just one person. I know people that will buy anything Michael Wadell sells. The marketing works. I am a deep analytical by nature. I research and research before I buy anything and trust those close to me. Half the gear I buy is from people on site. If Chris raved about a certain trail camera, I would probably buy it. If Cooter came up with some killer turkey decoy contraption I would inquire about it, if Thomas spoke of a killer musky lure, I would take note and be buying it if I was going musky fishing. I guess when your a deep analytical and see products being pushed I start to question, is it really good or is it just pushed because they have to?

I know an outdoor writer really well. He gets products for free all the time. Taking deer pictures with him is nuts. Changing outfits, making sure all the companies names are visible etc kind of takes the fun out of it for me. I guess it really wasn't free by doing all this stuff but you see what I mean.

To me it just seems something I love has changed dramatically. I am a big boy. I still love hunting more than ever before and will never quit or not pay to play. There is no sense in complaining about it. I feel that many others feel the same way as I do and just trying to show the other side of the fence. I have got to believe though that at some point and time everyone of us has watched something and just shook our heads afterwards thinking really?

Now if I ever see a video with Thomas or Chris swinging from tree to tree in a loin cloth like tarzan with some X brand bow with Y brand broadhead and having deer dropping left and right just from the thought of those two products being in the woods, I will dig this post back up. ;)

No hard feelings guys.
 
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Seems like every now and then Cooter gets a stick up his butt that he just can't reach. Then takes it out on somebody. It's ok Cooter, I forgive you, sometimes my old lady does the same thing:rolleyes:

Have a happy and safe 4th!
 
I have a few pix of me wearing a loin cloth if anyone is interested in me posting it... :grin:
 
I skimmed thru most of the replies so I might not have all the info but thats not important because I think this sureshots posts are some of the informative posts on here. Good work brother!
 
Plain and simple.... in any walk of life, and any industry, there are people that just plain like to bitch about things.

After reading through every post I will have to agree to disagree with you on this one Dedgeez.

Just because Cooter has a different opinion doesn't mean he is bitching.

I actually see both sides to the argument. I hate the commercialization of it, but I can guarantee you it is not because I am jealous or don't work for what I want.

As long as Cooter is being respectful he does have an opinion. Does not mean he is wrong or a bad guy.

BTW - Nice pictures Chris. If you decide to share on IW Thank you and I look forward to seeing them in the future.
If not good luck pursuing what you are working hard for.
 
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This has been quite the thread. I've been away fishing with my kids and spending time at the family cabin, this was as good as catching up on the news.

I won't say much, Chris, I like what you contribute, hope you continue to do so. There are valid points on both sides of this debate. I personally enjoy sitting up here where I don't have to worry much. I do worry however b/c of the winds of change here and I do think it has alot to with our wild tv network and constant hunting shows, product pushing etc. Realistically, despite my passion for hunting if things ever came to be here as they are in many places I'd be done. Not because I would want to be but because I have a wife and 2 little boys and financially my personal passions take a backseat to them. I make far more $ than I did 10 yrs ago, but I'm way more broke. LOL

Hell, maybe I'd join em' if I couldn't beat em'.....if that's what it took to keep me in the game.
 
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