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I own 95 ac. in Iowa. From 1990 to 2000 I drew 8 bow tags. From 2001 to
2005 I drew 3 bow tags. From 2006 to 2011 I drew 2 bow tags. So things
did change. All you young guns bitching about rich guys, lets see where
your buying land if Iowa go's to . When your 50 or 60 years old and have some extra money. Call it whining if you like.
2005 I drew 3 bow tags. From 2006 to 2011 I drew 2 bow tags. So things
did change. All you young guns bitching about rich guys, lets see where
your buying land if Iowa go's to . When your 50 or 60 years old and have some extra money. Call it whining if you like.
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Cooter,
I'm not rich, but I just like to hunt with my family in Iowa. If you were family, you would like to hunt with me because I'm not a bad guy. I am no threat to you. I hunt private ground that will never have an impact on you. Some day I may be your neighbor. If you ever try to hunt Alaska, you have the same odds of drawing a tag as me, and I have lived in Alaska for 27 years. I am not whining, that is just the way it is. It is easier and cheaper to hunt Iowa and pay your fees than hunt most places in Alaska. Hunters are becoming an endangered species. We all need to stick together and fight for the right to hunt and not fight each other because of state lines. Make it easy for youth to become involved, whether or not they are residents or not. That is the future of hunting. The day of horn porn is past. We need to pass on the essence of what hunting really is. Have a great day. I need to check up on my hunting partner. He is my my best friend and hunting partner. I got him in to bowhunting back when NR could get a doe tag. We hunted every year together, supported by our dad and uncle (both born and raised Iowans). The best week of our lives. We lived for this week. Then you changed the rules. He has had a rough couple of weeks. He is in a hospital in DM after open heart surgery. If all goes well and I draw an archery tag, and we will have another hunt in Iowa.
I'm not rich, but I just like to hunt with my family in Iowa. If you were family, you would like to hunt with me because I'm not a bad guy. I am no threat to you. I hunt private ground that will never have an impact on you. Some day I may be your neighbor. If you ever try to hunt Alaska, you have the same odds of drawing a tag as me, and I have lived in Alaska for 27 years. I am not whining, that is just the way it is. It is easier and cheaper to hunt Iowa and pay your fees than hunt most places in Alaska. Hunters are becoming an endangered species. We all need to stick together and fight for the right to hunt and not fight each other because of state lines. Make it easy for youth to become involved, whether or not they are residents or not. That is the future of hunting. The day of horn porn is past. We need to pass on the essence of what hunting really is. Have a great day. I need to check up on my hunting partner. He is my my best friend and hunting partner. I got him in to bowhunting back when NR could get a doe tag. We hunted every year together, supported by our dad and uncle (both born and raised Iowans). The best week of our lives. We lived for this week. Then you changed the rules. He has had a rough couple of weeks. He is in a hospital in DM after open heart surgery. If all goes well and I draw an archery tag, and we will have another hunt in Iowa.
Monsterbuck
Active Member
Threads like this are like the movie groundhog day. You wake up and it's the same thing over and over.
Nonresidents complain about buying land and not being guaranteed a tag. Residents complain they don't want the flood gates opened to NRs buying up land and making it even harder to find a place to hunt.
I wish the NRs would fight to change things in their own states so they wouldn't have to buy land out of state to hunt. Why do so many states continue to have gun seasons during the rut? Instead of complaining on this forum send a few letters, emails, etc to you legislators, DNR and try to improve your deer herd.
Nonresidents complain about buying land and not being guaranteed a tag. Residents complain they don't want the flood gates opened to NRs buying up land and making it even harder to find a place to hunt.
I wish the NRs would fight to change things in their own states so they wouldn't have to buy land out of state to hunt. Why do so many states continue to have gun seasons during the rut? Instead of complaining on this forum send a few letters, emails, etc to you legislators, DNR and try to improve your deer herd.
bowman
Super Moderator
I firmly believe that any NR who purchased land in Iowa knowing the regs about NR ownership / tag allocation has nothing to complain about and asking for law changes after the fact seems very selfish.
That being said, I do understand where Hardwood11 and other NR landowners are upset about the law change that prevents them from hunting does yearly, a privledge that they had when they purchased it. I can understand where they are coming from and I would be upset too if I owned land in another state and the law changed preventing me from hunting it as often. As for the NR youth tags, I would be a proponent of more NR youth tags and doing away with the governer tags to celebrities, however, that is a law that was law when the land was purchased so there is not as much weight to argue that point.
Long and short, if it was law when the land was purchased then I can understand the desire to have it changed but not a demand to do so. If it changed after the land was purchased (yealy doe tags) I can totally understand why a NR landowner it upset. Right or worng, I would be upset as well. I think that mnost of us would agree that we would be upset at that rule change if we were in the NR landowner's shoes on the doe tag issue.
Guaranteed buck tags for NR landowners, that is a completely different issue, as is the party hunting loophole!
That being said, I do understand where Hardwood11 and other NR landowners are upset about the law change that prevents them from hunting does yearly, a privledge that they had when they purchased it. I can understand where they are coming from and I would be upset too if I owned land in another state and the law changed preventing me from hunting it as often. As for the NR youth tags, I would be a proponent of more NR youth tags and doing away with the governer tags to celebrities, however, that is a law that was law when the land was purchased so there is not as much weight to argue that point.
Long and short, if it was law when the land was purchased then I can understand the desire to have it changed but not a demand to do so. If it changed after the land was purchased (yealy doe tags) I can totally understand why a NR landowner it upset. Right or worng, I would be upset as well. I think that mnost of us would agree that we would be upset at that rule change if we were in the NR landowner's shoes on the doe tag issue.
Guaranteed buck tags for NR landowners, that is a completely different issue, as is the party hunting loophole!
Daver
PMA Member
Regarding the "temptation tag" situation...there were several well documented cases where the DNR caught people doing exactly this. True, I am sure many law abiding people did not succumb to the "temptation", but some did, apparently enough to warrant a change. You can call it a joke if you want, but there were actual cases where that was in play.
Hardwood11
It is going to be a good fall!
Iowa
I guess I tried to stay out of this any further, but I wanted to say "thanks" for seeing the other side, and yes youth tags would be a good idea.
I firmly believe that any NR who purchased land in Iowa knowing the regs about NR ownership / tag allocation has nothing to complain about and asking for law changes after the fact seems very selfish.
That being said, I do understand where Hardwood11 and other NR landowners are upset about the law change that prevents them from hunting does yearly, a privledge that they had when they purchased it. I can understand where they are coming from and I would be upset too if I owned land in another state and the law changed preventing me from hunting it as often. As for the NR youth tags, I would be a proponent of more NR youth tags and doing away with the governer tags to celebrities, however, that is a law that was law when the land was purchased so there is not as much weight to argue that point.
Long and short, if it was law when the land was purchased then I can understand the desire to have it changed but not a demand to do so. If it changed after the land was purchased (yealy doe tags) I can totally understand why a NR landowner it upset. Right or worng, I would be upset as well. I think that mnost of us would agree that we would be upset at that rule change if we were in the NR landowner's shoes on the doe tag issue.
Guaranteed buck tags for NR landowners, that is a completely different issue, as is the party hunting loophole!
I guess I tried to stay out of this any further, but I wanted to say "thanks" for seeing the other side, and yes youth tags would be a good idea.
Hardwood11
It is going to be a good fall!
NR not following the rules
No disrespect at all Daver, I always enjoy your posts, and I generally agree with you 95% of the time. But if we "end" hunting for everyone because a few poach a deer, turkey or keep too many fish, we are all in trouble.
Minnesota had a recent article about gross overlimits of fish, and the majority of all incidents were NR... several documented cases. Does MN then not allow NR from fishing its state? Should MN follow Iowa's lead?
No disrespect at all Daver, I always enjoy your posts, and I generally agree with you 95% of the time. But if we "end" hunting for everyone because a few poach a deer, turkey or keep too many fish, we are all in trouble.
Minnesota had a recent article about gross overlimits of fish, and the majority of all incidents were NR... several documented cases. Does MN then not allow NR from fishing its state? Should MN follow Iowa's lead?
Bowtech84
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Oh boy this is getting interesting. I guess the way i look at it is all of you nr chose your own path in life. You chose to live where you live for one reason or another and at any point nobody is stopping you from up and moving to iowa if you are that passionate about hunting here. I myself was fortunate enough to be born and raised here. I was offered a good job in nebraska and turned it down because i knew if i took it i would have to be a nebraska resident and that would make it difficult to hunt the ground in iowa i have hunted all my life. You cant have your cake and eat it too. I understand your view on wanting to be able to hunt the ground you own in iowa and i dont have a problem with nr in that situation and i doubt many ppl do, but you are only a very small percentage of the nr that hunt here. And like many of you have said most iowa hunters have bigger battles like party hunting and anterless season to worry about before they start caring if a nr can come hunt every year.
Long live party hunting:way:
Long live party hunting:way:
Daver
PMA Member
No offense taken HW, I was really only intending to address the "joke" aspect of Jdub's post, which I believe was in response to an earlier post of mine. To me, since there were a number of violations directly associated with the NR archery doe only tags I don't think it is valid to claim it is a "joke" that some sort of regulation change ensued.
As far as what Minnesota chooses to do...I am fine with whatever they come up with, it's their state and their natural resources. I freely admit though that had I purchased a cabin on a lake in MN a few years back and then the regs changed I may have some feelings about that. So I do understand the frustration a NR landowner in Iowa would have if a key reg is changed after they purchased here.
Now then, as to what should have happened regulation wise in response to the issue of some NR landowners hunting bucks on doe only tags...I don't think I have put my thoughts out there about that, so folks should be careful before they make assumptions.
(Not saying that you are HW, just in general.)To me, a far bigger issue to everyone that hunts/manages land in Iowa right now is the over harvest of antlerless deer. That is where we ought to be putting our energy at this time IMO. I am fortunate that in our small neighborhood that there are enough other dedicated land managers that our deer numbers are still decent, but traveling to and from my farm and "out and about" in fairly large areas of SE Iowa the deer numbers are WAY down from what they were just a few years ago.
Hardwood11
It is going to be a good fall!
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150 Class
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The "joke" really was not a joke. Many well documented cases and several DNR officers complained about it. I agree it is unfortunate that some ethical NR landowners were affected by the change, buying land during the very short time it was legal, and that is very unfortunate for them. NR hunters want them, especially NR landowners. Iowa residents do not want them. No matter what side you are on, I understand your stance, but I do not see it ever coming back. It really is not worth debating here, but we do every year and it divides us, especially when we are so passionate about our side. This horse was dead years ago and I wish I had not expressed my opinion on the matter. It still is what it is but other tags or options make more sense than this beating this one any more.
I could be wrong, but while the archery doe tag was taken away, the total number of tags available to the NR did not go down. It has done nothing but go up. Especially for the NR landowner. I do like the NR youth tag option and would back that one.
If it is any consolation, land prices have done nothing but go up too so all is not lost.
I will also agree there are other laws that might problems and unlike the NR fishing abuse in MN, the abuse and problems in deer hunting in IA are resident hunters as much or more than NR. Probably much much more.
I could be wrong, but while the archery doe tag was taken away, the total number of tags available to the NR did not go down. It has done nothing but go up. Especially for the NR landowner. I do like the NR youth tag option and would back that one.
If it is any consolation, land prices have done nothing but go up too so all is not lost.
I will also agree there are other laws that might problems and unlike the NR fishing abuse in MN, the abuse and problems in deer hunting in IA are resident hunters as much or more than NR. Probably much much more.
Daver, I was not directing my comment at you specifically. I was only pointing out there are many documented resident hunting violations as well. As HW said if the DNR targeted and eliminated certain groups and seasons for violations there would be no deer hunting at all. As many have commented many party hunts are good examples.
sep0667
Land of the Whitetail
The main thing that gets me is that many NR want the regs changed so they can hunt every year(you may not be able to archery like you use to, but you can shotgun). What is the main reason the majority of NR's buy/lease land in IA and there is such a demand for them to come here? It is because of the quality of the herd. You change the regs to allow this and there will be a flood of additional hunters to IA. In a matter of probably no more than 3 seasons hunting IA will be no more special than MN or any other state. The bottum line is a HUGE reason why IA has good hunting is becasue of how the regs are now, you change the regs and we are no longer any better than any other state. Why would a NR invest all that money into property here knowing how the regs are now??? If you have the money to buy a good chunck of land just to be hunting on and drive back and forth to hunt/manage year round you are doing pretty well for yourself. Why not invest in land a lot closer to where you reside and lobby for that state to change the regs to mimic IA and use IA's numbers/repuatation as the reasoning? Trying to change the regs here will only make IA just like any other state.
JNRBRONC
Well-Known Member
Some resident hunters worry that if NRLO's get a tag every year, land prices will skyrocket and they will be locked out. Many of these folks will never buy land either way, so are just barking at the moon. And prices have trended up anyways due to grain prices and the demand for recreational land..... If you desire land, better buy it now because I doubt it's going to get cheaper. Not everyone will be fortunate enough to be able to afford it; a fact of life for every want/desire.
In regards to antlerless tag quotas: I don't see drastic reductions coming any time soon. Why? Roughly 10% of Iowans hunt and only a slightly higher percentage cares to watch wildlife. The rest view deer as a road hazard and/or crop thief. What they fail to understand is that much of the problem (deer/car accidents) occur in urban areas where hunters can't get access (IMO). Thus, the antlerless tags in those counties result in the deer herd getting pounded in areas where hunting is allowed.
If a group of hunting landowners bands together to manage the herd, their view of what is the desired population might vary from local farmers and highway drivers, who will continue to scream for more tags in the area; catch 22.
In regards to antlerless tag quotas: I don't see drastic reductions coming any time soon. Why? Roughly 10% of Iowans hunt and only a slightly higher percentage cares to watch wildlife. The rest view deer as a road hazard and/or crop thief. What they fail to understand is that much of the problem (deer/car accidents) occur in urban areas where hunters can't get access (IMO). Thus, the antlerless tags in those counties result in the deer herd getting pounded in areas where hunting is allowed.
If a group of hunting landowners bands together to manage the herd, their view of what is the desired population might vary from local farmers and highway drivers, who will continue to scream for more tags in the area; catch 22.
I've stayed away from this but I'll give ppl something to chew on.
right or wrong think about this as far as the temptation tags.
if there was an intersection that had repeated accidents on it and was governed by a yield sign. after enough accidents there's gonna be stop signs there to replace the yield signs cutting down the accidents.
maybe that's a bad example and no one will understand what I'm saying haha. short version is its a social law. problem is yes there are ppl that can't control their urges and shot bucks with only having doe tags forcing a social law to change which effects the lawful BE badly. its a lot like what someone mentioned with the over limit on fish. sometimes this happens and everyone wants bag limits on pan fish to be 25. this is a social law because unless you take the actual limit down to 5 or 6 it has absolutely 100% no reflection on the population.
now I'm not comparing fish in MN to deer in IA. this whole point was to show its a social law and where its coming from.
I hate it for you. but it is what it is now. I don't see it going anywhere.
for those of you who understood my ramblings I hope it helped. for those who didn't sorry haha.
right or wrong think about this as far as the temptation tags.
if there was an intersection that had repeated accidents on it and was governed by a yield sign. after enough accidents there's gonna be stop signs there to replace the yield signs cutting down the accidents.
maybe that's a bad example and no one will understand what I'm saying haha. short version is its a social law. problem is yes there are ppl that can't control their urges and shot bucks with only having doe tags forcing a social law to change which effects the lawful BE badly. its a lot like what someone mentioned with the over limit on fish. sometimes this happens and everyone wants bag limits on pan fish to be 25. this is a social law because unless you take the actual limit down to 5 or 6 it has absolutely 100% no reflection on the population.
now I'm not comparing fish in MN to deer in IA. this whole point was to show its a social law and where its coming from.
I hate it for you. but it is what it is now. I don't see it going anywhere.
for those of you who understood my ramblings I hope it helped. for those who didn't sorry haha.
dedgeez
death from above
2Dblind, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
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bowhunt44
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I am from MS and I am hoping to get drawn this year for bow hunting. For those of you wondering why NR's want to come to IA and hunt, you need to come down to MS and try it out. It's a whole different world up there than it is down here. I am so thankful for the opportunity to be able to come up there and experience what you all get to experience every year (the rut). Very seldom do I get to see it happen down here the way it's suppose to happen like up there. I know you probably get sick of NR's coming up to hunt in your state, but I thank you for the opportunity.