risto2351
Well-Known Member
Ast least Obama is getting what he wanted. Even the republicans bitc#ing amongst themselves.
Definitely wants to divide this nation.
Both Parties keep feeding there "followers'" full of crap. Look at things objectively, how they relate to other areas of the economy, the big picture. The Dems aren't always wrong, and our side certainly is always right. The enviroment is an issue our side continually f's up.Ast least Obama is getting what he wanted. Even the republicans bitc#ing amongst themselves.
Definitely wants to divide this nation.
papajess
New Member
I would like walmart if they paid their employees right, bought US made products, and didnt bully companies on the price of their products.
Thinkin Rut
PMA Member
And what would that pay package look like?
Thinkin Rut
PMA Member
That would be a great point 30 years ago. Today you would have some bare shelves.
papajess
New Member
Enough not to have to have government aid
Thinkin Rut
PMA Member
I would not shop at Walmart if they didn't negotiate their lowest price.
nannyslayer
New Member
I love that people are preaching buy American made products. It's great for this country. Problem is, our government is the main reason why products and companies are shipped over sea's to be produced.
Lets say you make a product that sells for 89 dollars. You buy the material here in America, go through the Union's to make sure everyone is getting a good pay check, and good benefits, jump through all the government agency hoops, to make sure the environment is safe, and your buildings are up to standard according to OSHA. Then you make sure the EPA agrees with your product, and finally you start production. By the time you are done, you have 115 dollars into a product you sell for 89 dollars.
You move the company over seas and produce it for 25 dollars and pay 15 dollars to have it shipped to the US.
I don't agree with it. 30 years ago America made all it's own products, and we bought rubber dog shit from over seas for novelty toys. Now days, all the products are produced over sea's and we produce the rubber dog shit.
If people would have stood ground back then, we would not be in the mess we are in now, meaning not the government get their sticky little fingers in every aspect of manufacturing a product.
Lets say you make a product that sells for 89 dollars. You buy the material here in America, go through the Union's to make sure everyone is getting a good pay check, and good benefits, jump through all the government agency hoops, to make sure the environment is safe, and your buildings are up to standard according to OSHA. Then you make sure the EPA agrees with your product, and finally you start production. By the time you are done, you have 115 dollars into a product you sell for 89 dollars.
You move the company over seas and produce it for 25 dollars and pay 15 dollars to have it shipped to the US.
I don't agree with it. 30 years ago America made all it's own products, and we bought rubber dog shit from over seas for novelty toys. Now days, all the products are produced over sea's and we produce the rubber dog shit.
If people would have stood ground back then, we would not be in the mess we are in now, meaning not the government get their sticky little fingers in every aspect of manufacturing a product.
Thinkin Rut
PMA Member
What about a second job? What about taking some classes to make you more employable? What about getting your GED? What about learning English? Nothing is keeping these people working at Walmart but themselves. This is my problem with big pro union types is they just think it is their God given right to make big bucks. You have to put out some effort to improve your lifestyle.
papajess
New Member
Thats another problem with this country people want every thing so cheap to make a couple bucks. I would pay the difference in price for it to be made in america. But thats just me.
nannyslayer
New Member
You completely missed the point. I am in the sales industry. You have to realize there is a breaking point for 95% of the people. 5% of the people will say it doesn't matter, they will buy. Your business won't survive off of those 5%.
If companies were not so restricted on regulations (there are a ton that are worthless, yet cost companies a lot of dollars) then they could produce a quality product at a higher price, make less margin in the product, but as long as they are moving inventory they WILL stay in business.
Take the democratic blinders off for one second, and realize that both parties have restricted company growth in the USA.
If companies were not so restricted on regulations (there are a ton that are worthless, yet cost companies a lot of dollars) then they could produce a quality product at a higher price, make less margin in the product, but as long as they are moving inventory they WILL stay in business.
Take the democratic blinders off for one second, and realize that both parties have restricted company growth in the USA.
papajess
New Member
Your right they should go and get an education.
My problem with non union types are they dont know what the hell they are talking about. You read all the bad news and never the good news. I deserve my wage because i work my ass off and get the job done right.
nannyslayer
New Member
I'm not in a Union, and get paid based off my quality of work. How is that not fair?
I make a decent living too.
I make a decent living too.
Unions have too much power in many cases..sorry papajess...if they didn't do such a good job of protecting the few crappy workers, I may have a change of heart. Having said that..there is a lot wrong when ASI or manpower, whores out employees to factories and get's $17 an hour, while the employe gets $9...It's bullshit..
mplane72
PMA Member
I used to have the same strong feelings about temp agencies and would agree that's pretty bad if you can actually prove that sort of wage difference. It did not take long to change my views after I became a plant manager and the responsibility to fill positions fell on me. I tried very hard to hire direct and it just was not working. Constant turn over, in 95% of the cases it was due to unreliability to even show up. I'm sure some are saying to pay more but for the work I need done I'm paying plenty. Now, I use a agency. Anyone who comes through my door has a legitimate shot at getting on my payroll. 95% still don't and I'm not looking for Rocket Scientists. Hell, showing up is 60% of this job and they can't do that. I snatch the ones up that do.
I used to buy into all the Walmart bashing in regards to how they treat their employees. Two things changed that. 1. Watching my friend start on the floor in a local store and move all the way up to having his own store. Hard work pays off even at the evil wally world. 2. Any time I'm in one I can see the lack of motivation in many of the employees. Especially when I want to check out.
I used to have the same strong feelings about temp agencies and would agree that's pretty bad if you can actually prove that sort of wage difference. It did not take long to change my views after I became a plant manager and the responsibility to fill positions fell on me. I tried very hard to hire direct and it just was not working. Constant turn over, in 95% of the cases it was due to unreliability to even show up. I'm sure some are saying to pay more but for the work I need done I'm paying plenty. Now, I use a agency. Anyone who comes through my door has a legitimate shot at getting on my payroll. 95% still don't and I'm not looking for Rocket Scientists. Hell, showing up is 60% of this job and they can't do that. I snatch the ones up that do.
I used to buy into all the Walmart bashing in regards to how they treat their employees. Two things changed that. 1. Watching my friend start on the floor in a local store and move all the way up to having his own store. Hard work pays off even at the evil wally world. 2. Any time I'm in one I can see the lack of motivation in many of the employees. Especially when I want to check out.
I agree, in general, I am disturbed at how fat, lazy, uneducated, and unmotivated Americans are becoming. It's saddening and disgusting. It's why our health care costs are so high.